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hey guys good morning good afternoon

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good evening to everyone welcome to

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episode 3 of somewhere in the live

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stream I am your host Ryan Sprague and

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we have a special guest host Tonight

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who's going to be joining us in just a

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sec I do want to say hi to everyone in

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the chat joining us tonight we've got

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UFO nut we've got Kelly metal Hendrix

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Ian Smith Ryan Baker Stephen is here

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dalen the angry sauerkraut is here she

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finally made it to a live stream on time

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welcome dalen welcome we've got David

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here looking forward to this from New

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Zealand thank you David thank you so

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much for being here

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um guys this is gonna be a fun show

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we've got an awesome UFO video of the

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week that was just posted by Tom Delong

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of all people uh our special guest host

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and I did a little digging we were able

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to find the original poster of this

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video so we're gonna break that down

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look at it with you guys and uh we want

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your thoughts put it in the comments

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below of what you think this UFO might

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be when we get to it

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um other than that we've got some cool

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news stories for you and then for the

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latter half of our conversation we're

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going to be talking all things Australia

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UFOs in the U.S and what's going on down

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under so you know what that means our

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special guest is from Down Under he's

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joining us on this early morning over

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there let's bring them in I think for

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the very first time on somewhere in the

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skies or somewhere in the live stream we

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have grant grant levock welcome Ryan

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thank you my friend it's great to be

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with you thanks for uh thanks for having

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me on it is early I've got my uh

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somewhere in the skies blend

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thanks buddy I believe it's the black

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triangle blend if I'm not mistaken

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um that's awesome oh well hey I know

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it's early for you and our New Zealand

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listeners our Australian listeners so

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thank you to you and thank you to

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everyone it's it's a pleasure to be with

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you and uh for any of you listeners that

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have young ones out there I'm I'm

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usually up at 5am with my three-year-old

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so I'm I've been up for a couple hours

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on my second cup of coffee already so

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I'm good to go good good that's that

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dark roast that dark roast is for for

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sure man well hey you know um I wanted

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to have you on because you know a lot

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has been going on in the UFO world with

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the United States government obviously

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it's all we'll be talking about for the

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past few years but a lot of people in

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the United States forget that there are

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other countries out there there's other

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continents where this stuff is happening

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um and whether or not the governments in

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those countries are doing anything about

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it is a completely different story and

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that's kind of what I want to talk to

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you about in the latter half but um you

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know I've got some news stories that I

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kind of want to break down with you

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first if that's cool totally cool well

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actually before we jump in I was going

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to ask you I you've been in Scotland now

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for a while I haven't I haven't noticed

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any Scottish twang in your in your voice

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yet but how are you uh how in how are

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you enjoying your time in the Scotland

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been fantastic man I mean this place is

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magical I I I you know I don't use that

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term lightly it's such an old place it's

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mystical there's a lot of history in

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Scotland and I would love to go you got

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hey you've got a place to stay when you

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um it's just crazy man have you found

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have you found a Broadway equivalent yet

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let's see I have gone to a couple very

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Community Theater here uh very very

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talented bunch of people uh there's a

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that get you know your wickeds and your

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lion kings and um Phantom of the Opera

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to see kind of the Broadway adjacent

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West End stuff gotcha okay very cool I

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got some you got some some big shows out

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there so it sounds like uh it's not not

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too far from your home in New York City

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not at all not at all man I miss New

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York but I am loving Scotland so thank

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you for asking you you'll have to keep

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listening to the uh somewhere in the

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live streams every week and see if my

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accents slowly starts to change yeah

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um well hey why don't we take a look at

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this first story that um that came to us

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and this is let me pull this up here

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we have has artificial intelligence

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found potential alien techno signatures

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hidden in radio signals from space this

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is pretty exciting

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um Vice motherboard actually came out

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with this absolutely and I'm just going

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to go ahead and read a little bit here

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and I'll get your thoughts on this as

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um a new paper published in the journal

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Nature astronomy is trying to look at

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new ways to tackle the idea of finding

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alien signals and this is being done

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through seti actually using telescope

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data that was first collected in 2016

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the machine learning algorithm analyzed

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over 480 hours of data from 820 stars

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and identified eight signals of interest

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that previous algorithms algorithms

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excuse me have not detected uh that's

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pretty interesting eight of them Peter

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ma is the first author of the paper he's

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an undergraduate at the University

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University of Toronto and he told

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motherboard in an email while AI has

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been applied to seti's Radio Data in the

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past this new approach takes the search

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completely out of human hands previously

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people have inserted machine learning

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components into various pipelines to

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help with the search this work relies

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entirely on just the neural network

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without any traditional algorithms

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supporting it and produced results that

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traditional algorithms did not pick up

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you know a lot of the AI that we see it

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has to be programmed somehow and that

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usually comes from human hands but now

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where you know the more we start to

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understand and develop this AI the more

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it's going to learn and be able to do it

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so I think it's pretty cool that seti is

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kind of getting at the Forefront of this

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when for so long they've been known as

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kind of the what was it that sent

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Friedman used to call it the silly

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effort to investigate I think it was so

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this is pretty cool what do you make of

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this story I agree I mean well if you

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look back to like you using the the

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infos wow signal for example from from

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not any 77 you know if you think about

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um all the potential earth-based radio

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waves interference uh you know

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atmospheric pollution and so on there

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was no technological capability back

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then to kind of filter out all of that

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stuff and it was all very much done by

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hand you had uh human eyes on on the

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data whereas now I mean look at what can

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be done with machine learning algorithms

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uh your data mining data analysis that

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requires very little human oversight

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eyes on the eyes on the pace so expect

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me think about think about what the

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Hubble telescope's been able to do and

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and obviously the AI and the Machine

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learning have been able to apply to the

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the data that's been collected since I

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mean Hubble when was that launched 1990

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that's now that's built on technology

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that's more than 30 years old and so

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look what the capabilities are with new

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technology like the James Webb and I

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mean the terabytes upon terabytes of

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data that that's going to be collecting

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by Ai and machine learning so I it's

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um you know ai's already preliminary

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picked up these potential uh eight

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signals that are worthy of further

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investigation because then hey let's

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point the James head the James Webb that

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way and see what we can uh see what can

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be found so I mean it'd be fascinating

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to learn you know where those eight

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signals originate what star systems how

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many light years away are they and so on

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so I think it's incredibly inside

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exciting to see you know when science uh

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new technology my apologies my little

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it's it's exciting uh exciting times for

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seti that's for sure because I know

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they've kind of been the the Jon Snow of

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the uh of the of the search for

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extraterrestrial intelligence for a long

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time the kind of the bastard child

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because they haven't found anything yet

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but I think it's exciting

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yeah yeah and you know uh Peter ma kind

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of concludes here with this um in the

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best case scenario these signals may

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include embedded information about the

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engineering of the technology or even a

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collection of techno signatures from an

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alien civilization so again just hearing

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them talk about this gets me excited

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because you know you've got something

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like uh what Avi lobes doing with the

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Galileo project sort of looking for the

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same thing these these techno signatures

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it's no longer the days of just looking

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for radio signals and and stuff like

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that like we're now looking for

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technology on moons on other planets uh

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whether it's actual Machinery or things

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that look artificial or even things like

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light and pollution you know science

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that something was built in a place uh

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it's fascinating again I I I think this

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is great that seti is finally getting in

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on this and you have to wonder you know

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how much influence has a lot of the UFO

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conversation had on them taking this

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next big step I don't know what do you

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think and and how much influence has

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um the Galileo project had and we're

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under our beloved I mean I think um

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avi's been fairly critical of City over

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the years because they've been a bit um

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you know one-minded so I I would love to

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get avi's thoughts and I'm no doubt

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he'll be posting a Blog article soon on

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uh on this uh preliminary research or or

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um yeah news that's come out of city but

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uh yeah I mean it's it's exciting and I

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with everything that's happened within

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the last five six years from 2017 to now

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with the topic of UAP being discussed

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not just at uh Department of Defense in

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a congressional level but there is a

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significant public interest now on this

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topic more so greater than I think there

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has ever been before

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um especially with the younger

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Generations that are more

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um you know accepting of the potential

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for there to be non-human intelligence

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um you know around next door and our

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neighboring star system I think it's

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it's very uh promising and and

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encouraging to see City now come out

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publicly and and state that hey we've

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you know this is something that's worthy

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of further uh investigation and Analysis

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because we might be um onto something

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here

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do you think you know we've got this

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NASA study going on too with UFOs do you

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think they have anything to do with this

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is steady working with NASA's NASA

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working with seti is Galileo working

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with seti like there's so many of these

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different independent organizations

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whether government funded or funded from

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the outside

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um looking into this stuff and it seems

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like they're all sort of trying to do

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the same thing you think they'd want to

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all work together I don't know what do

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you think well if you and if you take it

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back to you know the the UFO Community

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we know that

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um

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compartmentalization has kind of

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um you know

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led to the stagnation of understanding

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of you know different Technologies I

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mean if crash retrievals are indeed true

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and the US government has been sitting

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on technology for for 70 plus years but

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haven't been able to figure out because

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everything is so compartmentalized then

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it's it's it's promising to see and it

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would be encouraging to see uh this

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welcoming of collaboration across

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different sectors and Industry NASA City

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Galileo project uh talking to each other

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to try and better understand the the

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nature and extent of not just UAP but

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you know are we the smartest kid on the

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Block so to speak as RV puts it so uh I

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think

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um collaboration is the only way that

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science uh can be Advanced or uh you

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know effectively Advanced uh to to

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benefit our understanding of our place

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in the universe and and Humanity itself

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so if if they collaborate fantastic I

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think it's a it's a wonderful thing for

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them to uh to to consider they shouldn't

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be so

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um protective of this is our study this

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is our research we're not going to let

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anyone in and I think again AVI has RV

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lower the gala air project has really

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spearheaded

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um

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you know the the collaborative effort

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just with the number of Academia and

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scientific folks that he's brought into

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his effort so

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um it would be very very encouraging to

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see steady welcome collaboration from uh

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other uh subject matter experts and so

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on yeah

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absolutely I I honestly feel like this

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is the year of science man like you know

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we had the whole government UFO thing

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the report dropped here and there excuse

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me the report dropped there in the

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United States I have to get used to that

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I'm no longer there

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um and you know we had a lot of that

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going on uh military UFO settings blah

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blah blah we've heard all that a million

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times for the past few years I honestly

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feel like now we're gonna start getting

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inching closer to whatever intelligence

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May lie behind possibly some of these

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UAP we'll see we'll see absolutely look

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and and probably a comment I should add

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to like NASA they're very very early on

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in the piece too I think I mean the

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hundred thousand dollars the the peanuts

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that they've uh committed to is is

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completely preliminary I think they're

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just doing they're going on a bit of a

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fact-finding mission to say hey there is

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something worth it worthy of further

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analysis and investigation here so I

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wouldn't be super rise that when we hear

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from NASA and I think it's the middle of

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this year with their um the the the

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results of their study I think that is

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going to then position NASA to say hey

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this is what we recommend uh be invested

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to further uh studying this this topic

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so I think it's a very very early

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conversation for NASA at this point but

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it is again very promising that they're

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uh stepping up and and they're taking an

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interest in the topic

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absolutely earn your keep there NASA

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we've been banking on them for decades

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and decades now with a UAP topic and

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they haven't really shown us anything

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but it's going to be their time totally

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if necessarily the way then hopefully

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other um space agency agencies from

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around the world will do the same you

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know so both both the Canadian space

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agency and Australian space actually

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they they don't have any interest or

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appetite for the UAP topic so but that

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may change uh the the tide may change if

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they see NASA taking more of a serious

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approach uh in the years to come so

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absolutely let's go NASA I love it man

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well hey let's move on to our next story

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and we also want to know what you guys

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think before we move on put in the

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comments below put them in the live chat

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uh what are you looking forward to when

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it comes to seti's new Endeavor with

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this artificial intelligence let us know

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in the comments below

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um all right let me see who else we got

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here before we move on Grant welcome

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Jake welcome larssonic gravity is here

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Mary mattress is here Sonic gravity love

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love love it was just talking to them

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over on Twitter

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um speaking of someone I was just

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talking to over on social media I was

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just talking to Vinnie Adams our mutual

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colleague and friend

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um over he was doing an Instagram live

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and um I brought up that I was going to

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be talking about this next news story

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tonight and this is a case that he has

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something to do with actually with his

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group here in the UK UAP media you UK

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and uh he dropped a little bomb on me in

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his Instagram live that I did not know

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about so I'll bring that up at the end

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of this story interesting

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um yeah really interesting this story

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comes to us from uh the fall Falkirk

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Herald here in Scotland researchers hunt

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for photographer behind famous UFO image

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guys if you don't know about the Calvin

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UFO I don't know where you've been this

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past year it was the Talk of the Town

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for a while now one of the clearest UFO

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photos ever taken allegedly

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um this photo a little background for

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you guys let me just read from the

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article here on August 4th 1992 young

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chefs had been walking in the calvine

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area of Scotland when they spotted a

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strange diamond-shaped object in the sky

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short time later they heard the sound of

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an RAF jet approaching the planes seemed

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to change course and circled the UFO for

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a time before returning to a original

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course that's when they snapped the

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photo you're looking at right now guys

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the object then shot off into the sky

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and disappeared uh convinced that they

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had seen a UFO The Men passed the

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photograph along to a local newspaper

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however it was promptly handed over to

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the ministry of defense and was never

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published the image would stay

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classified for over 30 years and I

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believe it was supposed to be classified

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for another 50 70 something like that

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Grant um and uh it turns out that an RAF

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a RAF press officer Craig Lindsey had

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actually broken protocol and stashed a

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copy of this photo in a desk until he

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finally revealed it to Dr David Clark

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one of my colleagues over at UAP media

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UK and now David Clark is uh he works

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with Sheffield halem University and he's

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been attempting to track down the

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individual who took the original photo

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um sort of the update that this article

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brought forward Grant is on the back of

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the original photo is the name of the

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photographer but that name has not yet

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been released publicly but David has

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confirmed the man in question lives and

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works uh did live excuse me and work at

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a hotel where the chef photographers had

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worked uh David Clark has also traced a

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number of former colleagues of the

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photographer

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um and then Grant when I brought this up

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to Vinnie He also mentioned that we're

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beginning we're going to be getting some

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new updates on this in the coming weeks

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months um that not only did they

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possibly locate the photographer they

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may have possibly located the pilot of

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the jet that you see in that photo

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so I don't if that's true if any of this

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comes to fruition and we find out hey

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who the photographer is and B the pilot

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that may have been in that jet uh wow um

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I I I can't even imagine

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um

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a game over I think it puts it to bed

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that this is you know I mean so many

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people have looked at this images oh

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that's just a reflection in a pond and

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you know people have booked at the image

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and stuff but I mean look how many

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additional data points that would bring

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to the conversation if if you're able to

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get the pilot on record and the

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photographer I mean you're going to be

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able to get from the photographer you

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know a detailed uh testimony from well

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what happened leading up to the event

509
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during the citing post and exactly the

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same from the pilot you're going to get

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so much more

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um you know anecdotal evidence that's

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going to cooperate other uh pieces of

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the puzzle so it's incredibly exciting

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to learn that potentially you can have

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more people come come forward and and

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and reveal information so one thing I

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did find interesting though is in that

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article

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um because I noticed Nick Pope has been

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very mum on the uh on the topic he has

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he was the one that was with the

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ministry of defense and he uh

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commissioned an artist to create a

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rendition of this photo uh which looks

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there's a resemblance but obviously in

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his artist's rendition there is

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background rolling mountains and so on

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but what I found interesting is that you

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know on the 1st of February Nick Pope

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put out a tweet saying that essentially

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basically still neither he or mod have

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confirmed or not or denied that this

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photo is a is is one of The Originals

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that was in Mod's position yeah

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possession and in the article

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if you read the article it says image

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credit

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um mod

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and the National Archives and then

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obviously the the the r double AF or the

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RAF officer that released the photos so

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uh I just found that an interesting

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tidbit that you know mod has been

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totally mum on this photo yet you've got

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you know the journalists going to say

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well this is image credit mod so this is

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obviously um what they've got in their

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position

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yep and this is what happens man like

551
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:54,299
the you know they they walk it back walk

552
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:56,340
it back walk it back and then they're

553
00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:58,500
proven either right or wrong you know

554
00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:01,740
the mod might deny it but then someone

555
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:03,419
will come along and say no I worked for

556
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,780
the mod definitely that was our photo

557
00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:09,120
um I okay

558
00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:10,980
you bring up Nick Pope a very

559
00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:14,520
controversial figure in the UFO field

560
00:25:18,289 --> 00:25:15,900
um when it comes to having worked with

561
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:18,299
the mod I don't want to get into the

562
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,220
controversy I don't want to cause drama

563
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,039
I saw the tweet that you mentioned and

564
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:25,440
uh when when Nick said that you know

565
00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:28,200
neither the mod or I have confirmed this

566
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,880
to be the photo

567
00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:30,960
um

568
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:34,500
my sort of gut reaction to that was

569
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:36,900
I I don't care

570
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:39,659
I don't care what Nick Pope has to say

571
00:25:46,029 --> 00:25:42,900
about the photo honestly and I'm cool

572
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:46,039
because like I've never had it with him

573
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:48,600
that matters no it doesn't because it

574
00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:50,820
doesn't add to it and understanding of

575
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:53,400
the case or it doesn't further our

576
00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:55,320
um you know

577
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:57,299
revealing of additional information it's

578
00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:59,820
just for I just found it interesting for

579
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,320
someone that has

580
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,080
um touted Calvin for so long and

581
00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:05,760
obviously went to those lengths of

582
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:07,380
having an artist rendition created and

583
00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:10,799
now to not want to public I mean that

584
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:12,600
might be a very good reason why he can't

585
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:15,659
comment on this photo because if if it

586
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:17,400
is indeed still classified then he might

587
00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:19,620
be uh you know going into territory that

588
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:22,380
he shouldn't by saying anything so it's

589
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,940
quite possibly a very good reason why

590
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,919
he's uh he's saying what he's saying but

591
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:27,600
I agree that's and that's why it's

592
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:29,340
extremely exciting that you've got now

593
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:32,460
these two uh witnesses that if there's

594
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:34,020
the potential for them to come forward

595
00:26:37,549 --> 00:26:36,299
and talk with David and his team and

596
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,559
reveal information additional

597
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:39,600
information that will certainly I think

598
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:43,620
put it to bed uh for folks that have

599
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,539
you know played the skeptical and the

600
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,279
debunk card on this for so long we still

601
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,960
don't know what the object in the Calvin

602
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:50,700
photo is

603
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:53,100
um but you know certainly you would hope

604
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,020
that some testimony from the

605
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:57,179
photographer and the pilot would reveal

606
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,860
some more breadcrumbs that might give us

607
00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:00,960
a bit more of clarity as to what that

608
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,460
picture might be

609
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:05,039
absolutely I I couldn't better put it

610
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:06,419
better myself you know when it comes to

611
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:09,659
any UFO photo or video we can debate

612
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:11,460
till the end of time look at the martial

613
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,740
orb you know we've been talking about

614
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,380
that for a few weeks now and the problem

615
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,960
is we just don't have enough data to

616
00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:21,360
properly analyze it you know will Jeremy

617
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,580
Corbell and George Knapp reveal some of

618
00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:25,679
that data it's only time will tell I I

619
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,679
honestly hope so uh but you know until

620
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:30,960
we have more data and testimony about

621
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:34,260
the Calvin UFO photo it's either a top

622
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,419
secret craft it's a UFO from another

623
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:39,360
planet or it's an island and a boat

624
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:41,460
that that that's the three I'm going

625
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:43,740
with man until that happens but I'm

626
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,299
excited to see what comes in this put it

627
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,240
this way if if you believe what mod is

628
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:50,760
saying that uh you know indeed

629
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:53,220
classified documents from Mod you had I

630
00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:54,059
think

631
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,820
on an article that Nick Pope authored on

632
00:28:00,769 --> 00:27:58,320
his website said

633
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:00,779
um of a Declassified mod file page 35

634
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:04,020
and 36 of that classified file has these

635
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:08,520
photocopies of the Calvin photo and I in

636
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,140
doing some homework and reading this

637
00:28:15,730 --> 00:28:12,720
article uh ahead of our chat today if

638
00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:15,740
you take the the uh the black and white

639
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:19,020
photocopy of that Calvin photo and you

640
00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:20,039
remove the background and you

641
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:22,679
superimpose it over that released photo

642
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,799
it's a perfect match so you know it's

643
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:28,080
it's a no-brainer that's the real deal

644
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:30,179
that we're looking at we just now need

645
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,539
more data points on uh that entire

646
00:28:38,029 --> 00:28:35,580
incident and that's why it's exciting

647
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:38,039
that these two folks are potentially uh

648
00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:39,179
there's a potential for them to come

649
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:41,100
forward because again it fills in a lot

650
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:42,720
more of the gaps for us

651
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:46,080
absolutely absolutely man well let's

652
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:50,340
fill in the gaps on this one this is our

653
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:53,820
UFO video of the week guys this is

654
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,100
interesting so I believe it was

655
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,279
yesterday our good old buddy Tom DeLonge

656
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:01,679
of to the Stars Academy former to the

657
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:05,039
Stars Academy said enjoy they are real

658
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:07,140
to the Stars media we'll be turning real

659
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,539
events like these into major feature

660
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:11,820
films and television series to help

661
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:14,220
bring the facts to the world note the

662
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:16,740
whirling sound from the propulsion we're

663
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:19,260
gonna get to the video in just a sec

664
00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:24,059
um man uh this is pretty interesting

665
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:26,940
Grant um I guess you know what let's

666
00:29:30,409 --> 00:29:28,860
just play the video and I'll get your

667
00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:30,419
thoughts on the other side I think

668
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:32,460
that's the best way to do it guys hold

669
00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:34,440
tight watch the video and we're gonna

670
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,299
come back and get your thoughts as well

671
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,399
in the chat about what you think this

672
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:40,799
UFO is and we'll give some more

673
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:42,840
background on it let me give you a

674
00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:45,299
little background before we show it

675
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:48,600
um a man named Bob of course just Bob

676
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:51,440
supposedly witnessed this on October 27

677
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:55,200
2013 in Michigan so I'm gonna go ahead

678
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:56,940
and play that and we'll see you on the

679
00:30:01,679 --> 00:31:38,710
foreign

680
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,889
and then it's gone

681
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,590
wow man I mean talk about getting

682
00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:48,240
everything get in your bang for your

683
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:50,940
buck what do you think initial thoughts

684
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:52,620
on that video when I first showed it to

685
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,899
you well pardon my Scottish but I almost

686
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:56,640
my pants when I watched that for

687
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:58,919
the first time because um I mean it's

688
00:32:01,970 --> 00:32:00,600
it's incred it's fascinating but it's

689
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,980
also incredibly frightening I mean you

690
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:03,659
look at it you you put yourself in the

691
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:05,640
shoes of that camera operator you think

692
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,120
holy moly if that is what it's claimed

693
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:11,460
to be then man that that's an incredibly

694
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:14,460
terrifying experience so on on first

695
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:17,340
view man I was fascinated and intrigued

696
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:20,159
but then unfortunately uh when I viewed

697
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:21,960
it the second third fourth fifth sixth

698
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:24,419
seven eighth ninth time and so on uh it

699
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:26,580
started to um it started to become

700
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:28,740
problematic for me which we can um which

701
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,600
we can talk about I want to get to that

702
00:32:34,669 --> 00:32:31,919
for sure

703
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,679
um I do want to kind of add this tinser

704
00:32:38,930 --> 00:32:36,600
says talk about promoting a dang TV show

705
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:38,940
I call BS why wouldn't this video have

706
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:41,220
been out before um that is a good

707
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:45,120
question but we were able to dig and

708
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:47,580
actually find the source of this uh this

709
00:32:53,090 --> 00:32:50,760
this video this is done by Dave Beatty

710
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,100
actually brought this to my attention uh

711
00:32:58,210 --> 00:32:55,919
this video was posted nine years ago uh

712
00:33:00,169 --> 00:32:58,220
back in 2013 when it actually supposedly

713
00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:00,179
took place

714
00:33:04,909 --> 00:33:02,039
um let me pull up here

715
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:04,919
oh that's your beautiful show

716
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:08,340
um let's see here can I zoom in on this

717
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:10,679
I can't really read that there we go

718
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,120
um this is what happened this is from

719
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,880
the witness uh that night I live in a

720
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:16,559
rural part of Michigan and the closest

721
00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:19,320
major city is part haran

722
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,000
um dinner to do I'm gonna sort of skip

723
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:23,279
ahead here

724
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:25,380
um let's see at that point I was running

725
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:28,500
out on the road to go uh further so I

726
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,120
got out of the vehicle to take a better

727
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:32,640
view then suddenly the object started

728
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:34,860
moving towards me it start it startled

729
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,260
me so I ran like hell for a little bit

730
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,360
it was making a very strange low

731
00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:41,760
swirling noise so please try and turn up

732
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:44,100
your speaker we did hear that once I

733
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,019
moved the distance back I zoomed out the

734
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:48,000
camera a bit more and noticed the object

735
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:49,860
was hovering directly over my vehicle

736
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,019
then it started to lower itself as it

737
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,760
slowly rotated

738
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:55,679
um this was all in the video so I won't

739
00:34:00,289 --> 00:33:57,419
go through all of it

740
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,299
um once I moved a distance back I zoomed

741
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:01,919
out the camera a bit more and noticed

742
00:34:06,889 --> 00:34:04,559
the object was hovering directly over my

743
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:06,899
vehicle then it started to lower itself

744
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:09,899
start started to rotate then suddenly it

745
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:12,300
shuts straight up into the sky and

746
00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:15,419
disappeared uh this was very eerie what

747
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:18,179
the heck do you guys think this is

748
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:21,419
thanks Bob P.S for the debunkers that

749
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:23,700
come on here and type fake without doing

750
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:26,040
any in-depth analysis or proof of

751
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:27,480
evidence

752
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:30,119
um that's it that it's just fake

753
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:34,200
um he says uh please just watch it also

754
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,419
if they were sitting in my shoes at the

755
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:38,399
time and experienced what I saw they

756
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,580
wouldn't be saying fake either

757
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,679
so Grant

758
00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:45,839
what do you think you said you watched

759
00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:47,639
this several times

760
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:50,339
um you know the chat is saying hmm some

761
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:53,159
say I believe Bob others say it's a

762
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:56,940
drone someone else said this is silly uh

763
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,980
I don't know I don't know is it too good

764
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:00,240
to be true

765
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:02,940
well if we put out critical thinking hat

766
00:35:07,849 --> 00:35:05,820
on and we look at well what are we given

767
00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:07,859
in this video so there's two important

768
00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:10,140
data points you have Visual and you have

769
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:13,320
audio so after watching the video a

770
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,820
couple of times I thought you know what

771
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:16,560
I'm just going to put my noise canceling

772
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:17,880
headphones on and I'm just going to

773
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:19,020
listen to the audio

774
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:20,820
and so I listened to the audio time and

775
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:24,200
time again uh and there are a few

776
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,540
problematic pieces in the audio there is

777
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:29,160
um there's a clear edit there's a clear

778
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:31,800
cup in the audio at one point and

779
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:33,240
unfortunately the audio does not

780
00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:36,180
correlate with

781
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,079
um

782
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,320
certain camera Shake uh it doesn't align

783
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:43,200
with moments of camera shake so

784
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:44,820
um I have

785
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:47,339
I have some issues with this video in

786
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:49,500
that after the analysis that I've done

787
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:51,780
and this is just my opinion I actually

788
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,700
think I don't know what the object is

789
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,500
that's captured in the footage but I do

790
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,359
think the original audio was stripped

791
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,700
and that two separate audio tracks have

792
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:02,400
been laid over the top to further

793
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:05,339
strengthen uh the narratives to you know

794
00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:09,119
this is a UFO beaming down on my car and

795
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:11,339
so on so I can kind of give you the

796
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:13,260
step-by-step points that why I think

797
00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:15,780
that's the case but if and I would

798
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,099
encourage your listeners to do the same

799
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:20,160
if you just listen to the audio uh put

800
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:22,140
noise canceling earphones on close your

801
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:24,540
eyes and just listen to audio knowing in

802
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,320
your head what you've seen visually and

803
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,440
listen for listen for the

804
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:33,119
inconsistencies in the audio there's a

805
00:36:38,329 --> 00:36:36,119
clear edit and there is a and and the

806
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:38,339
big one for me is the end

807
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:40,500
um the the whirring sound

808
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:43,140
what do we know happens when an object

809
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,380
moves away that's emitting sound the

810
00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:49,200
sound changes the pitch changes there is

811
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,680
no fade in that whirring sound as the

812
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:55,440
object ascends above the car if you have

813
00:37:01,490 --> 00:36:59,700
a a drone that is hovering and you know

814
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:01,500
it ascends

815
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:03,900
what changes the the pitch the the the

816
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:06,060
the sound that you hear changes because

817
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:09,660
it's it's moving away from you so that's

818
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:11,880
what was problematic for me at the very

819
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,500
end if you listen if you play it again

820
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:15,359
at the very end you'll notice that the

821
00:37:20,510 --> 00:37:16,940
whirring sound

822
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,520
sustains it maintains its intensity at

823
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:22,740
the very end as it did throughout the

824
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:25,500
entire clip basically and that and that

825
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,300
that's a bit of a problem for me because

826
00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:30,000
if the the whirring sound is not fading

827
00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:33,960
or decreasing uh in its intensity as the

828
00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:35,579
thing is ascending

829
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:38,339
um then that again paints a picture for

830
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,660
me that maybe there's been some audio

831
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,240
manipulation on this on this footage

832
00:37:46,849 --> 00:37:45,359
okay let's let's go to the end of the

833
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:46,859
video quick if you don't mind I'm just

834
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,140
going to play that last bit

835
00:38:16,310 --> 00:37:50,640
um so we get a better sense of what

836
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,710
see it only changes it only Fades at the

837
00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:20,400
very end and you think it would start to

838
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:24,359
change as it starts to ascend so uh you

839
00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:26,099
know that's that's that's a problem I

840
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:27,660
had a few other things that I had an

841
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:29,940
issue with is that

842
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:32,280
um I I didn't go and forward debunking

843
00:38:36,349 --> 00:38:34,440
mode but I tried to think well what what

844
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:36,359
potentially

845
00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:41,460
be but I counted the number of steps and

846
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:42,540
and

847
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:44,280
the other piece before I did the same

848
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:47,160
thing yeah we're on the same wavelength

849
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,619
it takes approximately 24 steps

850
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:51,359
backwards so notice that the object

851
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:53,460
remains perfectly in frame for the most

852
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:55,380
part there's some camera Shake but it

853
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,960
remains in frame throughout most of the

854
00:39:02,569 --> 00:39:00,480
the clip so he's obviously backpedaling

855
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:02,579
he's walking backwards through heavy

856
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:05,160
thick grass or brush in pitch black so

857
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:06,119
he doesn't know where he's walking

858
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:08,339
backwards and he's keeping it in frame

859
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:11,520
so uh the the average stride length for

860
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:13,140
a human is two and a half feet now if

861
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:15,180
you're walking backwards pitch black and

862
00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:16,500
Knight you're obviously going to be half

863
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:18,420
you're going to half your your stride

864
00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:21,839
length so he's he's he's walking back

865
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:24,060
um not knowing where he's going he takes

866
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:26,940
24 steps backwards before he in his

867
00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:27,900
words

868
00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:30,359
um he runs like Hill well it wasn't

869
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:32,820
really run like hell he only he only ran

870
00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:36,960
eight steps uh and if when when the

871
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,480
video cuts from it starts off looking

872
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,000
like it's zoomed in to a degree and when

873
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:44,640
you hear hear him break away the object

874
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,380
breaks from frame and you hear his

875
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,960
footsteps running then when it returns

876
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,599
back in the frame he's in wide angle so

877
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:53,760
he's obviously zoomed out whilst he's

878
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:56,579
been running potentially but the

879
00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:00,420
distance away from the car after only 24

880
00:40:04,329 --> 00:40:03,060
back pedaling steps and then eight steps

881
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:04,339
of running

882
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:07,560
granted that's a wide angle but to me it

883
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:08,940
sounds like

884
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,099
if that is if this is a single

885
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,740
continuation piece so it hasn't been

886
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:14,880
edited

887
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:17,880
after those uh that he seems to be too

888
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:20,880
far away from the car with those few few

889
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:23,460
numbers yeah that's what I thought too

890
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:26,460
it just didn't sync up with me when he

891
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:28,980
when you could hear his footsteps it

892
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:31,560
just didn't add up for me in terms of

893
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:34,200
how far away from the car he appears to

894
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:35,460
be

895
00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:39,300
um you know Brad my critical thinking

896
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:40,619
brother from another mother he's got

897
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,119
some good comments in there as well but

898
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,640
yeah this is just what stood out for me

899
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:46,740
when I listened to the audio independent

900
00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:50,160
of the uh of the the video but then you

901
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:52,320
also have to factor in the human element

902
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:54,420
the human behavior

903
00:41:00,109 --> 00:40:58,140
if we believe what Bob's account which

904
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:00,119
he documented in writing is true that he

905
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,760
was uh you know what this this thing

906
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,800
scared the bejebas out of me

907
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:07,200
at no point throughout the footage does

908
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:08,940
he ever utter a word

909
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:11,400
is there's no heavy breathing after his

910
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:14,040
run uh or if you're anxious or you're in

911
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,440
fear you would expect that to be a

912
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:18,960
relatively uh normal you know human

913
00:41:23,050 --> 00:41:20,760
emotional Behavior there's none of that

914
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:23,060
there is even after the thing has gone

915
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:27,900
there is no uh there there is no you

916
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:30,540
know words spoken or on the clip

917
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,300
whatsoever and there's 25 seconds of

918
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:35,040
additional footage that Tom Delong left

919
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:38,339
out of his uh his clip that he posted so

920
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:42,060
the first 25 seconds shows uh is taken

921
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:43,560
through the windscreen of the car shows

922
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:46,380
the car working its way down this this

923
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,560
dirt road which has quite a number of

924
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,560
fresh tire marks in the uh in the road

925
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,440
itself so would that lead one to

926
00:42:00,109 --> 00:41:57,119
speculate that maybe this was a

927
00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:00,119
premeditated and staged incident I don't

928
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:04,619
know you know you have to consider that

929
00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:07,619
as as a possibility as well so yeah for

930
00:42:11,089 --> 00:42:08,339
me

931
00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:11,099
um I off initially when I looked at it

932
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:14,099
absolutely fascinated but then once I

933
00:42:18,589 --> 00:42:16,260
kind of looked at the audio the audio is

934
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:18,599
the real piece that to me

935
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,700
it doesn't necessarily

936
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,040
um you know eliminate this of being

937
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:25,440
something there's obviously something in

938
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:28,800
the uh in the sky above the car what it

939
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,140
is we don't know is it an RC drone with

940
00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:33,119
a laser pointer that's one possibility

941
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:35,700
that people have thrown around but

942
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:38,220
um the the fact that the audio has

943
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:40,320
clearly been manipulated to maybe

944
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:43,859
strengthen the case for this being a UFO

945
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:46,920
that's beaming down on a car that

946
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:50,160
that that presents a problem for me

947
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:52,440
absolutely you bring up a lot of good

948
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:53,700
points

949
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,220
um and I I don't know who this is but I

950
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:58,440
like this Australian Mick West you have

951
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,420
a new you have a new uh title there

952
00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:02,880
great and what look if you if you look

953
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:05,400
at so the the the poster research for

954
00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:07,619
truth 12.

955
00:43:10,569 --> 00:43:08,339
um

956
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:10,579
he's only got two videos on his channel

957
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:13,020
there's no record of anything under

958
00:43:17,569 --> 00:43:15,300
research for troop 12 on the internet

959
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:17,579
with the exception of a post that he

960
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,339
made on a UFO video

961
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:23,040
um over a year earlier in

962
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:27,359
um October of 2012 I believe it was

963
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:30,060
um he posted uh some comments well this

964
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:31,380
is the greatest video I've ever seen

965
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:34,500
this is best UFO footage and then a year

966
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:37,319
later he comes out with footage of his

967
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:39,660
own so again that doesn't necessarily

968
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:42,960
tell us anything but it's another piece

969
00:43:47,329 --> 00:43:44,579
that needs to be considered in its

970
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,339
totality when looking at is this is this

971
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:50,160
true or is it potentially a ruse or a

972
00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:53,640
hoax yeah it seems too good to be true

973
00:43:59,650 --> 00:43:56,819
in my opinion which then ushers in my

974
00:44:03,470 --> 00:43:59,660
final question for UFO video of the week

975
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:03,480
why why did Tom DeLong post this I mean

976
00:44:08,829 --> 00:44:06,540
we know he he's posted hoaxes in the

977
00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:08,839
past is this just another irresponsible

978
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:12,599
Tom Delong off the cuff sort of thing or

979
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,599
uh is this to promote his upcoming stuff

980
00:44:19,010 --> 00:44:17,040
he's working on what what do you think

981
00:44:20,530 --> 00:44:19,020
the motivation is behind the screen why

982
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,540
would he do this

983
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:23,760
I I think it's the latter I think there

984
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:26,460
is something to the Stars Academy which

985
00:44:30,829 --> 00:44:28,440
is now very much entertainment focused

986
00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:30,839
uh I think and he's even said it in his

987
00:44:34,270 --> 00:44:32,339
tweet that

988
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,280
um you know

989
00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:36,720
uh to the Stars media we'll be turning

990
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:38,099
real events like these into major

991
00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:39,599
feature films and television series to

992
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:41,819
help bring the facts to the world so I

993
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:42,900
think it's

994
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,619
um a bit of a um a teaser as to there's

995
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:48,240
something coming out of to the stars now

996
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,079
this doesn't you know the the depiction

997
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:54,420
in this footage is

998
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:55,319
um

999
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:57,660
consistent with what a lot of people

1000
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,460
have reported I mean but then you also

1001
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:01,800
think well a lot of people report seeing

1002
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:04,980
objects that emit no sound whatsoever uh

1003
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:07,140
and then this assets uh this emits a

1004
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:09,720
whirring sound so uh I'm not

1005
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:12,599
um changing my tune whatsoever on the

1006
00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:15,839
UAP topic I think this is either uh an

1007
00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:19,319
incredibly well done uh hoax

1008
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:21,960
um or it is been

1009
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,560
um

1010
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,200
there's been some manipulation to cry to

1011
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:27,359
strine to try and strengthen the story

1012
00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:30,180
behind it but uh even if this is a if if

1013
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:32,819
there's a hoax it doesn't you know take

1014
00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:36,060
away my belief that there are

1015
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:38,760
um true unknowns out there as well it is

1016
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:40,859
unfortunate though that you will have uh

1017
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,680
people that want to uh manipulate uh

1018
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:46,319
others with uh with fake footage and and

1019
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:49,380
grifting just to kind of um

1020
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,079
yeah capitalize on the on the dollar

1021
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:54,960
aspect of it or try and increase their

1022
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:55,560
um

1023
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:58,079
they're standing in the in the community

1024
00:46:02,030 --> 00:45:59,640
or with their peers family and friends

1025
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:02,040
so absolutely you know I always tell

1026
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:04,380
people when these hoax videos come out

1027
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:06,839
and we learn that a lot of these people

1028
00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:10,440
are CGI artists you know that this is a

1029
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,079
calling card to fool the world and show

1030
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,260
Hollywood and and whoever Disney Marvel

1031
00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:19,200
what they're capable of uh I got four

1032
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,540
million views on this UFO video I did

1033
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:24,480
hire me and there you go so

1034
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:27,180
unfortunately those types of people uh

1035
00:46:34,490 --> 00:46:31,260
will use our our community to um kind of

1036
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:34,500
flex their CGI muscles and and sort of

1037
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:36,900
show their resume so it's unfortunate

1038
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:38,700
but it's the harsh reality of this field

1039
00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:41,220
we've chosen to uh embed ourselves in

1040
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:44,220
right it does and then sadly it adds to

1041
00:46:47,569 --> 00:46:45,720
the stigma and the ridicule that's

1042
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:47,579
that's long plagued the topic I mean if

1043
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:51,000
you anyone that's um that follows other

1044
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,220
topics like say Sasquatch and Bigfoot

1045
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,200
you know we know in 2008 that those two

1046
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,560
guys that held a press conference in in

1047
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:01,260
Georgia and said that they had uh shot a

1048
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:02,640
Bigfoot and they put it in their um

1049
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:04,260
their ice chest and that turned out to

1050
00:47:08,109 --> 00:47:06,300
be the biggest hoax but the media

1051
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:08,119
covered that event like it was

1052
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:10,440
groundbreaking stuff and then they never

1053
00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:12,180
touched the subject again after being

1054
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,339
burned so I think that's the problem

1055
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:16,920
that these sort of

1056
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,880
um hoaxing events uh create is an

1057
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:23,520
environment and feeling the air where

1058
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:25,020
people don't want to touch it and the

1059
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:26,940
media stays away from it because they're

1060
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:29,400
fearful of being burned and getting it

1061
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,560
wrong and then being losing Street

1062
00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:33,420
Credibility basically

1063
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:37,079
you know I know it's uh it's frustrating

1064
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,660
it's all very frustrating well Grant

1065
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:41,280
thank you thank you for sort of um

1066
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:43,800
putting us back on the ground when it

1067
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:46,140
comes to this this video because when I

1068
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,119
saw it man like it gave me chills I'm

1069
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:51,359
like holy if there is any truth to

1070
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:55,020
this uh this is like this is this is it

1071
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,180
this is the Smoking Gun video

1072
00:48:01,730 --> 00:47:59,040
um but then when you start to strip it

1073
00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:01,740
away and look at it like you did

1074
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,660
um you start to it's it's like a movie

1075
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:05,760
The more you go back and watch it you

1076
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,859
either start to appreciate it more or

1077
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,319
you start to see the flaws in it and um

1078
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:12,000
that's why I never really like to

1079
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,300
revisit uh films a lot of the time I

1080
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,760
just want to watch it once and that's it

1081
00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:19,440
um I come from a theater background so

1082
00:48:25,849 --> 00:48:23,220
with plays like yeah it's live one and

1083
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,859
done that's it you're not meant to see a

1084
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:27,839
plague Choice unfortunately for someone

1085
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:30,180
who worked on Broadway I had to see it

1086
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:32,520
eight times a week so you start to strip

1087
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:35,220
away the magic of of the experience and

1088
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:37,560
that it's no longer you know it's still

1089
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:39,780
powerful and I give everyone the credit

1090
00:48:43,849 --> 00:48:41,400
in the world for doing that eight times

1091
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:43,859
a week but it's just you start to see

1092
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:46,560
how the sausage is made as they say and

1093
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,180
and it kind of takes away from the

1094
00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:50,700
experience so I think you know if I

1095
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:54,060
looked at this video for days on end

1096
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:56,220
um it kind of stretched out what you

1097
00:48:59,930 --> 00:48:58,560
were able to do in like 24 hours that I

1098
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:59,940
sent you this

1099
00:49:03,710 --> 00:49:01,079
um I would have come out on the other

1100
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:03,720
side a bit more cynical to you on it

1101
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,099
oh you're right I mean the the

1102
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,960
magician's illusion is never as magical

1103
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,599
when you found out how it's done so

1104
00:49:14,089 --> 00:49:11,520
um I mean I I would still love to know

1105
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:14,099
what that actually is that's right in

1106
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:15,359
the footage

1107
00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:17,579
um but do I think it's what a lot of

1108
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,220
people think it is no I don't based on

1109
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:22,740
the based on the uh on the manipulation

1110
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:24,780
that's in the background of the audio

1111
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:28,319
yep I'm going with I think it's a drone

1112
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:30,900
um someone did mention in 2009 yeah yeah

1113
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:33,780
I mean maybe commercial drones weren't

1114
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:38,400
as big 2013. uh excuse me 2013. thank

1115
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:40,140
you wow thank you for clearing that up

1116
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:43,740
that that even makes even more of a it a

1117
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:45,060
possibility actually

1118
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,700
um I think the object is real let's put

1119
00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:49,200
it that way I don't necessarily think

1120
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:51,780
this is CGI I do think the audio was

1121
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:54,540
overlaid as you did because they're just

1122
00:49:59,630 --> 00:49:57,000
some of it just doesn't add up the sound

1123
00:50:02,450 --> 00:49:59,640
with the visuals and also

1124
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:02,460
um it just to me screams some sort of

1125
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:05,339
drone with Lighting on it and um how

1126
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:07,140
they cast that beam I don't know

1127
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:10,020
possibly with some sort of laser like

1128
00:50:13,490 --> 00:50:11,099
you said

1129
00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:13,500
um but yeah too good to be true

1130
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:15,420
um any less words on the video before we

1131
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:18,599
move move on here look it's it's it's

1132
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:21,060
definitely fascinating and intriguing to

1133
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,260
look at

1134
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:24,540
um and um you know if it is indeed a

1135
00:50:28,809 --> 00:50:26,940
hoax which I think it is credit to the

1136
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:28,819
person for uh for for

1137
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:31,079
investing the time energy and effort to

1138
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:32,400
try and pull it off

1139
00:50:37,609 --> 00:50:35,640
um you know it's it's um

1140
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,619
it's interesting and it's and it's it's

1141
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:39,300
always fun to have these conversations

1142
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:42,300
and you know and talk about it

1143
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:45,839
um but sometimes I think it does

1144
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,440
take away from uh the

1145
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:51,839
the conversations that are more valuable

1146
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:54,300
to be had on this topic so I think you

1147
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:58,559
know the hoaxing uh it does continue to

1148
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:01,680
add to an air of stigma and ridicule on

1149
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:04,380
the topic so it would be nice for that I

1150
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:05,579
mean look it

1151
00:51:12,109 --> 00:51:09,359
it would be nice for Tom Delong to be a

1152
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:12,119
little bit more sincere in his um in his

1153
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,700
post I think he's been very ambiguous

1154
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,040
with that tweet and positioning it as

1155
00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:19,859
this is real footage when

1156
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:21,900
um once you do your due diligence and

1157
00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:24,660
your analysis uh it's footage of

1158
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:26,099
something but it's not footage what we

1159
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:27,240
think it is

1160
00:51:33,230 --> 00:51:31,020
absolutely I couldn't agree more

1161
00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:33,240
every week these UFO videos break my

1162
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:35,160
heart Grant I swear to God

1163
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,079
um I'm gonna find it I will have the

1164
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:38,640
Smoking Gun on somewhere in the live

1165
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:40,680
stream at some point guys and by the way

1166
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:43,319
I I I don't want to become the the

1167
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:45,720
Midwest down under I I I've always

1168
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,940
positioned myself as

1169
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:49,920
um uh I

1170
00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:53,160
I look at things with a healthy degree

1171
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:54,900
of skepticism but I also keep an open

1172
00:51:58,970 --> 00:51:56,460
mind as well which is I think what you

1173
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:58,980
have to do you have to you know trust

1174
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:01,020
but verify and always be in a position

1175
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:04,440
to ask questions and not accept uh

1176
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:05,700
accept

1177
00:52:11,150 --> 00:52:08,819
things in uh you know Blind Faith and

1178
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:11,160
acceptably true on Blind Faith so

1179
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,940
absolutely that's the responsible UFO

1180
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,040
researcher coming out in you well hey

1181
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:18,960
man we're going to move on to the topic

1182
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:21,000
of the night that's UFOs in Australia I

1183
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:22,680
do want to take a quick little

1184
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:25,020
commercial break here and we'll come

1185
00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:27,480
back on the other side and get going on

1186
00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:30,599
Australia and UFOs so guys if you're

1187
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:33,180
just joining us we are with Grant levock

1188
00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:35,400
he has an amazing YouTube channel right

1189
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:37,319
here on YouTube that we're going to talk

1190
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:39,960
about when we come back as well so stick

1191
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:41,460
with us we'll be right back to talk

1192
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:44,940
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1193
00:52:56,569 --> 00:52:53,870
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00:53:32,290 --> 00:53:27,480
[Music]

1206
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,170
guys welcome back and uh thank you for

1207
00:53:40,930 --> 00:53:38,640
being with us again we are with Grant

1208
00:53:43,309 --> 00:53:40,940
Lavaca and somewhere in the live stream

1209
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:43,319
and I'm excited to talk about this

1210
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:46,920
because we we've done some episodes in

1211
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:49,140
the past when it comes to UFOs in

1212
00:53:53,329 --> 00:53:51,180
Australia but we cover cases case

1213
00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:53,339
history but we haven't really covered

1214
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,859
the sort of sordid history and

1215
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,359
relationship that the Australian

1216
00:54:02,089 --> 00:54:00,240
government has with the UFO topic if

1217
00:54:04,670 --> 00:54:02,099
there even is one

1218
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:04,680
um so what I want to do Grant is I was

1219
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,300
watching one of your live streams the

1220
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,400
other night and you had this brilliant

1221
00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:10,800
clip that you put together at the top of

1222
00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:12,420
the live stream

1223
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,099
um so with your permission if it's okay

1224
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:16,079
I'd love to show that now and then we'll

1225
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:17,579
come back and discuss if that's cool

1226
00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:20,220
yeah absolutely awesome let me go ahead

1227
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,960
and play that right now for you guys now

1228
00:54:25,549 --> 00:54:23,520
we call the relationship between the

1229
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:25,559
United States and Australia the

1230
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:27,900
unbreakable Alliance we spoke about the

1231
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,400
complex and changing security

1232
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:31,440
environment that we Face we discussed

1233
00:54:35,049 --> 00:54:33,660
our strong long strategic alignment we

1234
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:35,059
have also

1235
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:38,880
taken steps to create a more seamless

1236
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,300
defense industrial base between our two

1237
00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:44,640
countries we need to be working closer

1238
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:47,099
together to enhance our military

1239
00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:48,559
capability

1240
00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:51,960
unidentified aerial phenomena are a

1241
00:54:56,270 --> 00:54:54,359
potential national security threat and

1242
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,280
they need to be treated that way for too

1243
00:55:00,530 --> 00:54:59,040
long the stigma associated with uaps has

1244
00:55:01,609 --> 00:55:00,540
gotten in the way of good intelligence

1245
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:01,619
analysis

1246
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:04,200
Pilots avoided reporting or were laughed

1247
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:06,180
at when they did today

1248
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:09,720
We Know Better uaps are unexplained it's

1249
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:13,140
true but they are real in what capacity

1250
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:15,960
if any at all have you been briefed on

1251
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:17,160
UAP

1252
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,720
um Senate I haven't had any specific

1253
00:55:23,329 --> 00:55:20,880
briefings in relation to UAP since I've

1254
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:23,339
taken over and we brought many allies

1255
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:25,260
and international Partners into our

1256
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:27,900
discussions on UAP

1257
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,880
given how close we are to the US has

1258
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:31,440
there been any discussions with

1259
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:33,960
Australian intelligence services or the

1260
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,359
Air Force in relation to their approach

1261
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:38,160
any formal discussions that we've held

1262
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:39,180
with the US

1263
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,940
Navy and Air Force Crews now have

1264
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:43,680
step-by-step procedures for reporting on

1265
00:55:49,370 --> 00:55:47,160
UAP on their kneeboard and in their post

1266
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:49,380
flight debrief procedures

1267
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,180
can you see a reason why they would you

1268
00:55:57,470 --> 00:55:53,520
understand why they are implementing no

1269
00:56:00,109 --> 00:55:57,480
Senator the message is now clear if you

1270
00:56:01,730 --> 00:56:00,119
see something you need to report it what

1271
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,740
encouragement and Reporting mechanisms

1272
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:03,839
are afforded to the men and women of the

1273
00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:06,960
ADF in relation to that a senator we

1274
00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:08,940
have a really strong reporting culture

1275
00:56:14,270 --> 00:56:11,460
if there's anything related to to safety

1276
00:56:16,130 --> 00:56:14,280
or airworthiness issues then they're we

1277
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,140
strongly encourage our Pilots to report

1278
00:56:20,089 --> 00:56:18,240
those there's also mechanisms through

1279
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:20,099
standard operational means our traffic

1280
00:56:25,309 --> 00:56:22,260
control we are committed to working

1281
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:25,319
together to meet and address shared

1282
00:56:31,609 --> 00:56:29,220
challenges is this a UFO question

1283
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,619
it's thick you could call them a UFO if

1284
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:33,599
you like Senator they're called they're

1285
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:34,319
now

1286
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:37,020
so just just so unclear unidentified

1287
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:39,000
aerial phenomena

1288
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:40,200
what do you think do you think it's

1289
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:47,270
yo that last moment there man I wanted

1290
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:49,800
to ring her neck first of all and second

1291
00:56:54,829 --> 00:56:52,260
of all good for him

1292
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:54,839
um may I ask who is the gentleman the

1293
00:56:59,329 --> 00:56:56,940
senator that they're speaking to we need

1294
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,339
to get his name he's a hero yeah so

1295
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:02,160
Senator Peter wish Wilson uh of his

1296
00:57:07,549 --> 00:57:04,380
senate for Tasmania he's the only

1297
00:57:09,770 --> 00:57:07,559
Australian Senator that to date has

1298
00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:09,780
shown the courage and gumption to raise

1299
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:12,780
the topic of UAP uh in Australian

1300
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:15,480
Parliament and and ask questions so he

1301
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,540
first uh at that was a called a senate

1302
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,400
estimates hearing where essentially

1303
00:57:24,890 --> 00:57:21,839
Senators

1304
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,900
um you know look at they scrutinize

1305
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:27,119
government expenditure basically to make

1306
00:57:31,970 --> 00:57:29,160
sure the taxpayer money is not being

1307
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,980
wasted and so on the 27th of October of

1308
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:33,839
2021

1309
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,220
um after obviously the preliminary

1310
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:37,440
assessment on UAP came out from OD and I

1311
00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:39,780
on the 25th of June of that year

1312
00:57:44,329 --> 00:57:42,119
um he asked the then chief of Air Force

1313
00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:44,339
Air Marshal hubfield about UAP and

1314
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,099
Australian context and he was never

1315
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:49,440
really satisfied with the responses that

1316
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,660
came from the Royal Australian Air Force

1317
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:53,040
and Australian Department of Defense so

1318
00:57:59,089 --> 00:57:56,040
on the 9th of November of last year he

1319
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:59,099
then pressed the current chief of Air

1320
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:01,500
Force Air Marshal Robert Chipman

1321
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,160
um on UAP and you know with all with

1322
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,680
with the seriousness the the the the

1323
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,839
interest the serious interest that our

1324
00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:11,760
U.S allies taking on this topic well why

1325
00:58:15,530 --> 00:58:14,339
isn't Australia really uh taking it

1326
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,540
seriously as a potential national

1327
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,760
security threat and safety of Flight

1328
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:19,920
Risk and that

1329
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:22,140
um Senator Penny Wong the the lady at

1330
00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:23,460
the end there that

1331
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,700
made those the ignorances Bliss kind of

1332
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:28,559
comments I think unfortunately that's

1333
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,780
the reflection of far too many people in

1334
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:32,880
the Australian government uh as well as

1335
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:35,280
the Australian Department of Defense uh

1336
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:37,740
and kind of uh reflects their position

1337
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:39,839
on the topic they think it's it's

1338
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:42,900
science fiction uh whereas our friends

1339
00:58:46,970 --> 00:58:44,819
across the pond in the US

1340
00:58:49,069 --> 00:58:46,980
um see it incredibly differently so that

1341
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:49,079
clip was really designed I put that

1342
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:50,400
together to

1343
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:54,480
show that the Australia U.S Alliance is

1344
00:58:59,630 --> 00:58:56,819
the strongest that it's ever been uh and

1345
00:59:01,069 --> 00:58:59,640
I'm proud that Australia is uh is is a

1346
00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:01,079
strong Ally with the United States but

1347
00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:03,480
their positions on the UAP topic could

1348
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:06,059
not be further apart uh and I think

1349
00:59:11,809 --> 00:59:08,520
that's a real problem

1350
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,819
right you know and you highlight so well

1351
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:13,680
in that clip kind of the juxtaposition

1352
00:59:19,609 --> 00:59:16,799
between what the US is doing now in

1353
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:19,619
Australia and I mean look it doesn't

1354
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:23,940
make the the Senators uh you know the

1355
00:59:29,230 --> 00:59:26,460
members of of the government look too

1356
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:29,240
good when when they have absolutely no

1357
00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:32,040
interest in the topic even when it comes

1358
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:35,160
to national uh security

1359
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:37,140
um however you know the the guy did

1360
00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:39,720
mention and excuse me that I don't I

1361
00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:41,339
don't know all their names that's my

1362
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:44,460
American ignorance coming into play here

1363
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:48,420
um you know saying we have a very good

1364
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:50,520
reporting culture

1365
00:59:55,490 --> 00:59:52,859
um do you think that's true do you think

1366
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:55,500
that members of the Australian military

1367
00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:58,079
are reporting UFOs and they're just

1368
01:00:03,289 --> 00:59:59,880
being told like the United States was

1369
01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:03,299
for so long don't report this don't

1370
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,880
worry about it you know is the stigma

1371
01:00:09,289 --> 01:00:07,920
still there look I think they have a

1372
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:09,299
strong reporting call culture when it

1373
01:00:13,370 --> 01:00:10,920
comes to incidents and accidents and

1374
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:13,380
near-misses but not when it comes to

1375
01:00:17,390 --> 01:00:15,660
aircraft they can't identify there's

1376
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:17,400
currently no reporting mechanism in

1377
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:20,400
place whatsoever for military pilots and

1378
01:00:27,289 --> 01:00:23,160
avias to report UAP or to report

1379
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:27,299
aircraft they cannot identify and that I

1380
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:28,559
think that's a huge problem because

1381
01:00:33,530 --> 01:00:31,680
again UAP could be a myriad of different

1382
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:33,540
things I mean we all jump to the

1383
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,940
non-human intelligence aspect but it

1384
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:38,000
could be foreign adversarial it could be

1385
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:39,660
airborne clutter could be

1386
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,400
misidentification be atmospheric

1387
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,160
phenomena and so on but if the if Pilots

1388
01:00:48,049 --> 01:00:45,599
are seeing something in the sky that

1389
01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:48,059
they cannot identify that has the

1390
01:00:54,349 --> 01:00:50,579
potential to become a safety of Flight

1391
01:00:56,569 --> 01:00:54,359
Risk then that is a huge concern that's

1392
01:00:59,450 --> 01:00:56,579
a big problem and and that's and that's

1393
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:59,460
where we are today in the US I mean Ryan

1394
01:01:03,950 --> 01:01:01,740
Graves is advocating heavily for this

1395
01:01:06,829 --> 01:01:03,960
saying that you know after the 11 near

1396
01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:06,839
misses that the odni reported in its

1397
01:01:10,849 --> 01:01:09,000
preliminary assessment and all all of

1398
01:01:13,549 --> 01:01:10,859
our aviators having these encounters

1399
01:01:15,849 --> 01:01:13,559
with UAP on the East Coast with all

1400
01:01:18,410 --> 01:01:15,859
these incursions in their working areas

1401
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:18,420
there is a huge safety of Flight Risk

1402
01:01:23,210 --> 01:01:21,180
issue here and I think the Royal

1403
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:23,220
Australian Air Force and Australian

1404
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,740
Department of Defense is doing its

1405
01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:27,359
members of the Australian Defense Force

1406
01:01:33,049 --> 01:01:30,299
a disservice by not acknowledging that

1407
01:01:34,910 --> 01:01:33,059
our U.S Ally and five eyes and August

1408
01:01:37,549 --> 01:01:34,920
partner is taking this topic seriously

1409
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:37,559
as a safety of flight issue and a

1410
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,200
potential national security threat uh

1411
01:01:43,789 --> 01:01:41,760
and they're burying their head in the

1412
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:43,799
sand in this topic and they have the

1413
01:01:50,329 --> 01:01:47,280
audacity to come out with a document a

1414
01:01:51,890 --> 01:01:50,339
chief of Air Force brief on unidentified

1415
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:51,900
aerial phenomena which I was able to

1416
01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:54,799
secure for release via foia last year

1417
01:02:00,410 --> 01:01:58,020
that the Royal Australia Air Force

1418
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,420
came to the determination that UAP are

1419
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:02,400
one of three things foreign adversarial

1420
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:07,380
technology uh benign phenomena or it

1421
01:02:12,349 --> 01:02:08,940
could be human-made technology there's

1422
01:02:14,569 --> 01:02:12,359
no no consideration given whatsoever

1423
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:14,579
that UAP could be something else other

1424
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:16,380
than those three things there's no

1425
01:02:21,230 --> 01:02:19,680
catch-all other bin that OD and I uh

1426
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:21,240
infamously captured in their preliminary

1427
01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:23,760
assessment now I don't how can the Royal

1428
01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:25,380
Australian Air Force come to that

1429
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:28,020
determination as to what UAP is likely

1430
01:02:33,410 --> 01:02:31,200
to be or is not likely to be when one it

1431
01:02:35,150 --> 01:02:33,420
hasn't even read the classified it

1432
01:02:37,789 --> 01:02:35,160
hasn't been proven the classified data

1433
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:37,799
and the classified reports from odni

1434
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:40,079
because documentation released through

1435
01:02:44,030 --> 01:02:41,760
foyer has told us that the US hasn't

1436
01:02:45,410 --> 01:02:44,040
been in contact with us uh we're not

1437
01:02:47,150 --> 01:02:45,420
interested in collaborating on this

1438
01:02:50,210 --> 01:02:47,160
topic with our other with with allies

1439
01:02:53,089 --> 01:02:50,220
and the Australian Royal Australian Air

1440
01:02:55,609 --> 01:02:53,099
Force has had as almost a longer history

1441
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,619
investigating the UAP UFO topic as the

1442
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:57,839
US uh the Royal Australian Air Force has

1443
01:03:05,089 --> 01:03:00,960
been investigating UAP UFO from the

1444
01:03:07,549 --> 01:03:05,099
1950s through to the mid 1990s in 1996

1445
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,559
they formally ceased their investigation

1446
01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:09,839
of the UAP topic they ceased taking

1447
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,020
reports from the public because they

1448
01:03:18,049 --> 01:03:16,079
apparently could not find any uh

1449
01:03:20,329 --> 01:03:18,059
compelling or other scientific reason to

1450
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,339
devote resources to the further

1451
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,559
investigation of the topic so the fact

1452
01:03:25,789 --> 01:03:24,240
that the Australian Department of

1453
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:25,799
Defense Royal Australia Force hasn't

1454
01:03:30,829 --> 01:03:28,640
seen any of the classified data that

1455
01:03:32,569 --> 01:03:30,839
U.S Congress members have seen before

1456
01:03:35,150 --> 01:03:32,579
behind closed doors and Skiffs that's

1457
01:03:36,770 --> 01:03:35,160
keeping them up at night and the Royal

1458
01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:36,780
Australian Air Force has not even

1459
01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:39,480
touched this topic since 1996 they've

1460
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:41,579
already made a determination that UOP

1461
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:43,380
that move along folks there's nothing to

1462
01:03:47,569 --> 01:03:45,599
see here that's the position of the

1463
01:03:48,829 --> 01:03:47,579
royal Australian Air Force and I think

1464
01:03:52,849 --> 01:03:48,839
that is

1465
01:03:54,349 --> 01:03:52,859
um it's incredibly frustrating that uh

1466
01:03:55,789 --> 01:03:54,359
they're Towing the line and they're

1467
01:03:57,410 --> 01:03:55,799
burying this hand they're burying their

1468
01:03:58,670 --> 01:03:57,420
heads in the sand on this uh on this

1469
01:04:02,210 --> 01:03:58,680
topic

1470
01:04:04,010 --> 01:04:02,220
right well everyone in the chat is

1471
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,020
saying the same thing five eyes five

1472
01:04:08,270 --> 01:04:06,480
eyes five eyes five eyes so let's talk

1473
01:04:10,190 --> 01:04:08,280
about that for just a moment here Grant

1474
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,200
you know um and I have a follow-up

1475
01:04:14,690 --> 01:04:12,480
question to that do you think any

1476
01:04:17,390 --> 01:04:14,700
intelligence is being shared with the

1477
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:17,400
Australian government on this topic um

1478
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,400
and also uh you know we learned about

1479
01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:22,559
atip you know we thought that in the US

1480
01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:24,059
they were done investigating this stuff

1481
01:04:28,849 --> 01:04:26,760
with Project Blue Book and they kind of

1482
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:28,859
said the same as the the Australian

1483
01:04:32,930 --> 01:04:31,260
government there's nothing let's move on

1484
01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:32,940
it's not his national security threat it

1485
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,220
doesn't come from Zeta reticuli we're

1486
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:37,200
done looking at this

1487
01:04:40,849 --> 01:04:38,640
um and you're saying that the same

1488
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,859
happened in Australia do you think there

1489
01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:42,720
are versions of atip going on in the

1490
01:04:47,690 --> 01:04:45,180
Australian government as well

1491
01:04:49,490 --> 01:04:47,700
it's certainly plausible if it is it

1492
01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:49,500
would be happening in the intelligence

1493
01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:51,660
services so you're talking about

1494
01:04:56,510 --> 01:04:53,160
um you know the Australian signals

1495
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:56,520
directorate the Australian geospatial

1496
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,640
um organization you've got azio which is

1497
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:01,200
the equivalent of

1498
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,660
um the CIA unfortunately those

1499
01:05:08,990 --> 01:05:05,760
government organizations and agencies

1500
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:09,000
are exempt from foia so there is no way

1501
01:05:14,089 --> 01:05:10,799
that I'm ever going to be able to find

1502
01:05:16,430 --> 01:05:14,099
out if they um so this is the other

1503
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,440
thing to note as well and this is what I

1504
01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:18,240
brought up or brought to light in my

1505
01:05:22,609 --> 01:05:20,520
last live stream that I did that the

1506
01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:22,619
recurring theme that we're hearing from

1507
01:05:27,710 --> 01:05:25,260
the the us whether it be Scott Bray

1508
01:05:30,650 --> 01:05:27,720
whether it be odni whether it be Sean

1509
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:30,660
Kirkpatrick whether it be arrow that

1510
01:05:35,569 --> 01:05:33,839
they are having uh engagement ongoing

1511
01:05:38,569 --> 01:05:35,579
engagement and communication with allies

1512
01:05:41,329 --> 01:05:38,579
to keep them up to date with what their

1513
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:41,339
uh analysis investigation on the topic

1514
01:05:44,750 --> 01:05:43,380
has been and that's and good on them per

1515
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:44,760
their mandate the National Defense

1516
01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:47,520
authorization Act of fiscal year 22 and

1517
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:51,000
fiscal year 23 mandates that the office

1518
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,240
Ro coordinate with allies to better

1519
01:05:57,470 --> 01:05:55,920
understand the nature and the extent of

1520
01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:57,480
UAP so they're doing what they're

1521
01:06:01,609 --> 01:05:59,579
mandated to do now they've said they

1522
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:01,619
have uh and Scott Bray said this in that

1523
01:06:06,829 --> 01:06:04,260
clip that they have been they have

1524
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:06,839
brought many allies into discussions on

1525
01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:10,079
UAP well who are those allies we know

1526
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:11,700
that thanks to the good reporting that

1527
01:06:16,270 --> 01:06:15,119
Daniel Otis has done that Canada uh the

1528
01:06:19,970 --> 01:06:16,280
Canadian

1529
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:19,980
military and and defense was briefed by

1530
01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:23,940
the UAP task force in February of 2022

1531
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:25,859
but that's one Ally who are the other

1532
01:06:30,410 --> 01:06:28,380
allies New Zealand thanks to some of the

1533
01:06:35,089 --> 01:06:30,420
good work that my friend Colin who goes

1534
01:06:37,130 --> 01:06:35,099
on to uh the moniker of UAP aotearoa he

1535
01:06:39,049 --> 01:06:37,140
submitted some foia requests to New

1536
01:06:41,710 --> 01:06:39,059
Zealand and they have come back and said

1537
01:06:45,950 --> 01:06:41,720
look we haven't had any engagement with

1538
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:45,960
uh the the US on the UAP topic Australia

1539
01:06:50,329 --> 01:06:47,760
is saying the same thing they have not

1540
01:06:53,089 --> 01:06:50,339
been engaged by the US well who who

1541
01:06:55,130 --> 01:06:53,099
Who's the U.S been in communication with

1542
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,140
that right um I mean possibly Japan

1543
01:06:59,569 --> 01:06:57,599
because we know that there is a you know

1544
01:07:01,849 --> 01:06:59,579
there's a an alliance a partnership with

1545
01:07:03,470 --> 01:07:01,859
Japan so that was a question that I had

1546
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:03,480
and I've tried to find and answer that

1547
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:06,000
question by submitting a foia request a

1548
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:07,680
U.S for a request

1549
01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:09,720
um going for documentary evidence that

1550
01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:13,500
uh confirms verifies which uh allies

1551
01:07:20,329 --> 01:07:16,680
that the UAP task force Then aimsog and

1552
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:20,339
Now Arrow has engaged on this topic

1553
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:22,260
um and I've also tried to go after that

1554
01:07:27,650 --> 01:07:24,960
information uh through Australian for it

1555
01:07:30,650 --> 01:07:27,660
as well but that's um I'm it's not

1556
01:07:32,210 --> 01:07:30,660
yielding as much fruit as I hope my U.S

1557
01:07:34,430 --> 01:07:32,220
foyer requests that are pending I should

1558
01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:34,440
get a response hopefully March April so

1559
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,359
it's not far away we'll be able to

1560
01:07:38,569 --> 01:07:37,920
identify

1561
01:07:40,849 --> 01:07:38,579
um

1562
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:40,859
you know which allies the the US has

1563
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:43,260
been engaging on this topic if that many

1564
01:07:48,890 --> 01:07:46,260
allies comment that Scott Bray uh

1565
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,900
testified to in May of last year is in

1566
01:07:52,910 --> 01:07:51,119
fact a true statement

1567
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,920
which I don't I have no reason to

1568
01:07:57,470 --> 01:07:54,960
believe that it's not but I just want to

1569
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:57,480
uh again trust but very you know um what

1570
01:08:02,569 --> 01:07:59,819
is it trust but verify so yes uh

1571
01:08:04,190 --> 01:08:02,579
interest verify yeah

1572
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,200
um Christian brings up a really good

1573
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,480
point here Elizondo had a slide on

1574
01:08:11,089 --> 01:08:08,640
countries that atip talked to in the SCU

1575
01:08:12,890 --> 01:08:11,099
meeting and Australia was on there am I

1576
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:12,900
correct that's right yeah and I brought

1577
01:08:19,130 --> 01:08:15,180
that up in my recent live stream that I

1578
01:08:20,809 --> 01:08:19,140
did um uh Louis zondo uh included that

1579
01:08:24,349 --> 01:08:20,819
in his presentation that he had the

1580
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:24,359
number of Flags uh you know on his slide

1581
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:26,100
deck and Australia was there New Zealand

1582
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:28,859
was there and it's true Australia has

1583
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,679
had a long history investigating the UAP

1584
01:08:36,650 --> 01:08:33,839
topic you know dating back almost as

1585
01:08:39,650 --> 01:08:36,660
long as the US 1950s again through to

1586
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,660
the mid 1990s when they kind of uh you

1587
01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:41,279
know dusted their hands and said you

1588
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:42,660
know move along folks nothing to see

1589
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:45,480
here uh and you know there there have

1590
01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:46,799
been

1591
01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:47,400
um

1592
01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:49,560
there have been folks in Australia that

1593
01:08:55,249 --> 01:08:52,460
have really been trying to advocate for

1594
01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:55,259
further scientific study and

1595
01:08:59,150 --> 01:08:57,000
investigation of this topic in the U.S

1596
01:09:02,090 --> 01:08:59,160
you had obviously jail and heineck

1597
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,100
um who in his later years uh would you

1598
01:09:05,390 --> 01:09:04,080
know be be advocating for the same from

1599
01:09:07,789 --> 01:09:05,400
the US and you had a gentleman in

1600
01:09:10,189 --> 01:09:07,799
Australia called uh oh Turner or Harry

1601
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:10,199
Turner he is kind of Australia's Jay

1602
01:09:14,450 --> 01:09:11,940
Allen heineck equivalent he was a

1603
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:14,460
nuclear scientist that was tasked with

1604
01:09:20,450 --> 01:09:17,819
trying to understand and and investigate

1605
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:20,460
the UAP or what they called unusual

1606
01:09:26,030 --> 01:09:23,279
aerial sightings in Australia uas back

1607
01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:26,040
then uh try to get to the bottom of of

1608
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:29,880
what uas UAP UFO are and unfortunately

1609
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,120
his findings fell on deaf ears and he

1610
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:35,040
was kind of pushed to the Wayside so

1611
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:39,000
there have been efforts by the

1612
01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:40,380
Australian Department of Defense and

1613
01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:43,020
Royal Australia air force in the past to

1614
01:09:48,410 --> 01:09:45,660
investigate this topic but there are

1615
01:09:50,110 --> 01:09:48,420
some current and former members of the

1616
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:50,120
royal Australian Air Force that believe

1617
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,920
there is no there there that it is

1618
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:54,239
simply

1619
01:10:01,310 --> 01:09:56,340
um it's all of Rue's

1620
01:10:05,689 --> 01:10:01,320
um uh by the uh the U.S to uh misdirect

1621
01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:05,699
it's foreign adversaries by drawing

1622
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,160
um attention to this topic when it could

1623
01:10:13,130 --> 01:10:10,320
just be secret you know black budget

1624
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,140
technology because they want to test it

1625
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:14,880
they want to see how the the general

1626
01:10:20,689 --> 01:10:18,120
populace is going to react to it

1627
01:10:22,430 --> 01:10:20,699
um so I don't I don't personally agree

1628
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:22,440
with that assessment because you have

1629
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:25,679
this is a topic that has gone back

1630
01:10:31,790 --> 01:10:28,800
centuries and if you look at you know

1631
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,800
all of the the cave drawings and artwork

1632
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:34,320
across many many different cultures

1633
01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:37,920
around the world that depict uh your

1634
01:10:44,330 --> 01:10:40,620
imagery and particularly in their um

1635
01:10:46,729 --> 01:10:44,340
folklore and culture of these Sky beings

1636
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:46,739
um then you know what is it that they

1637
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:49,679
saw that led them to want to scroll down

1638
01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:53,400
on a cave wall something that reflects

1639
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:56,280
what we would typically in pop culture

1640
01:10:59,689 --> 01:10:57,920
consider to be

1641
01:11:02,330 --> 01:10:59,699
extraterrestrial or non-human

1642
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:02,340
intelligence so I don't think I don't I

1643
01:11:07,070 --> 01:11:04,620
don't subscribe to the argument that it

1644
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:07,080
all it's all a ruse and an attempt to

1645
01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:10,199
misdirect uh foreign adversaries I'm I'm

1646
01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:13,980
100 certain that that is uh that is part

1647
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:16,920
of it sure absolutely that there is an

1648
01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:18,360
effort to

1649
01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:21,420
um misdirect foreign adversaries and get

1650
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,400
them looking somewhere when they

1651
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:25,199
shouldn't be looking over here but I

1652
01:11:29,209 --> 01:11:27,540
don't think it's the I think that's one

1653
01:11:32,209 --> 01:11:29,219
part of the puzzle I don't think it's

1654
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:32,219
the the the the be-all end-all answer to

1655
01:11:36,850 --> 01:11:34,020
it though I I think there is definitely

1656
01:11:39,470 --> 01:11:36,860
something to this phenomena

1657
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,480
absolutely look this that's a

1658
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:41,760
long-winded answer for you so oh it's a

1659
01:11:44,810 --> 01:11:42,900
great answer

1660
01:11:47,570 --> 01:11:44,820
um you know look this way while this

1661
01:11:51,169 --> 01:11:47,580
goes on we're seeing that play out right

1662
01:11:54,169 --> 01:11:51,179
now in the media when it comes to

1663
01:11:55,550 --> 01:11:54,179
yeah the balloon that's as far as we're

1664
01:11:57,229 --> 01:11:55,560
going with it we're not going to talk

1665
01:11:59,330 --> 01:11:57,239
about it here tonight guys I know you're

1666
01:12:02,570 --> 01:11:59,340
sick of hearing about it

1667
01:12:06,169 --> 01:12:02,580
um but yeah man like again it's it

1668
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:06,179
astounds me that the entire world can go

1669
01:12:12,530 --> 01:12:10,560
nuts and drool over a uh a balloon we

1670
01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:12,540
don't a balloon-like entity as the US

1671
01:12:16,910 --> 01:12:14,580
government might call it um we don't

1672
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:16,920
know its purpose why it's here how many

1673
01:12:21,890 --> 01:12:19,500
of them have actually been monitoring us

1674
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:21,900
or what's going to happen next with that

1675
01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:25,260
whole balloon gate happening

1676
01:12:32,330 --> 01:12:29,100
um but then you have you know these UAP

1677
01:12:33,709 --> 01:12:32,340
incursions happening with our Pilots uh

1678
01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:33,719
not just in the US all over the place

1679
01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:37,320
and it's just it falls on deaf ears

1680
01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:39,659
um so you truly do have to wonder why

1681
01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:41,460
what is going to happen with this whole

1682
01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:43,500
balloon thing is this going to tie into

1683
01:12:48,590 --> 01:12:46,620
the UAP Topic at all

1684
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:48,600
um it's all people on UFO Twitter have

1685
01:12:52,490 --> 01:12:50,760
been talking about and you know that's

1686
01:12:55,010 --> 01:12:52,500
kind of why I wanted to talk about this

1687
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:55,020
tonight is to get people's minds off of

1688
01:12:59,689 --> 01:12:57,480
what the media is trying to do right now

1689
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:59,699
like it's so

1690
01:13:05,209 --> 01:13:01,679
freaking clear that they want you to

1691
01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:05,219
focus on this stupid balloon story when

1692
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:07,140
there's really interesting stuff

1693
01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:09,420
happening now especially with a UAP

1694
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,400
report that just repeats

1695
01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:13,920
I think the mainstream media not just in

1696
01:13:19,610 --> 01:13:15,960
the US but Australia has failed

1697
01:13:22,189 --> 01:13:19,620
miserably at covering the UAP topic and

1698
01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:22,199
exercising an ounce of journalistic due

1699
01:13:27,770 --> 01:13:25,860
diligence and asking questions I mean if

1700
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:27,780
you know

1701
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:29,520
I mean we're not a news media is trying

1702
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,380
to get as many uh I mean it's Revenue

1703
01:13:36,050 --> 01:13:33,120
advertising the more people that watch

1704
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:36,060
their shows and click their articles you

1705
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:38,280
know Revenue increases that's their

1706
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,000
model but it's it's it's a shame that

1707
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:45,120
the Chinese balloon as you know

1708
01:13:49,130 --> 01:13:47,400
interesting as it was

1709
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:49,140
for a few minutes when I saw it

1710
01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:51,540
initially that that is getting that is

1711
01:13:57,649 --> 01:13:53,580
getting all of the coverage in the news

1712
01:14:00,590 --> 01:13:57,659
cycle when you have uh you know these

1713
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:00,600
reports of incursions in uh military

1714
01:14:07,729 --> 01:14:04,080
training spaces and uh you know above

1715
01:14:10,669 --> 01:14:07,739
the USS Omaha and Russell that it's

1716
01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:10,679
taken you know I mean how long for the

1717
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,900
military to come out and I mean Scott

1718
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:14,640
Bray come out and said oh well it might

1719
01:14:19,790 --> 01:14:17,340
be a an optical artifact or I mean they

1720
01:14:22,729 --> 01:14:19,800
still don't know we still have not been

1721
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:22,739
given any definitive explanation as to

1722
01:14:29,149 --> 01:14:26,640
what what those swarms were above the

1723
01:14:31,970 --> 01:14:29,159
the USS Omaha and the Russell and and

1724
01:14:34,729 --> 01:14:31,980
that is a huge problem the media should

1725
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:34,739
be asking those questions about that

1726
01:14:40,010 --> 01:14:37,800
incident and not just focusing the

1727
01:14:41,810 --> 01:14:40,020
24-hour news cycle on the uh on the

1728
01:14:42,890 --> 01:14:41,820
Chinese balloon so but unfortunately

1729
01:14:46,250 --> 01:14:42,900
that's

1730
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,260
where I think it's you're going to have

1731
01:14:52,850 --> 01:14:48,000
folks like

1732
01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:52,860
um you know independent uh journalists

1733
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:56,280
and and those that I mean Christopher

1734
01:15:00,850 --> 01:14:58,620
sharp I think does wonderful reporting

1735
01:15:04,370 --> 01:15:00,860
out of The Liberation times and you have

1736
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:04,380
uh D Dean Johnson you've got Tyler Rogue

1737
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:06,000
away I mean you might not necessarily

1738
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:08,340
agree with everything that those guys

1739
01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:11,880
put out uh but credit to them they're

1740
01:15:15,290 --> 01:15:13,560
doing their due diligence and they're

1741
01:15:17,930 --> 01:15:15,300
asking questions that mainstream media

1742
01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:17,940
isn't so we need more energy you know

1743
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:21,540
Ross cool tart you've got Leslie Kane uh

1744
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:23,880
George Knapp no matter what you think of

1745
01:15:27,169 --> 01:15:25,679
George Knapp uh agree with him don't

1746
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,179
agree with him

1747
01:15:31,870 --> 01:15:29,760
um credit to those folks for at least

1748
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:31,880
um asking questions that other

1749
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,560
mainstream journalists aren't

1750
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:36,719
absolutely

1751
01:15:40,189 --> 01:15:38,340
um well one last clip I want to play

1752
01:15:41,689 --> 01:15:40,199
Grant I know you got to get going very

1753
01:15:44,450 --> 01:15:41,699
shortly

1754
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:44,460
um is someone who did take that chance

1755
01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:46,920
and did want to work with Australia on

1756
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:49,739
cases that happen there and uh that was

1757
01:15:52,850 --> 01:15:51,840
uh James McDonald here in the United

1758
01:15:56,270 --> 01:15:52,860
States

1759
01:15:58,610 --> 01:15:56,280
um back in 1967 he was interviewed for

1760
01:15:59,930 --> 01:15:58,620
ABC News in Australia

1761
01:16:01,310 --> 01:15:59,940
um for those of you who don't know James

1762
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:01,320
McDonald was a meteorologist

1763
01:16:06,530 --> 01:16:04,800
meteorologist and a UFO researcher and

1764
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,540
uh he wanted to compare Australia

1765
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,120
reports with the U.S and he stressed the

1766
01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:11,760
global phenomenon in World governments

1767
01:16:15,050 --> 01:16:14,040
need to work together on this so if you

1768
01:16:17,570 --> 01:16:15,060
don't mind I'm just going to go ahead

1769
01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:17,580
and play that clip really quick and then

1770
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,100
um we'll wrap things up here sure let's

1771
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:22,320
play that I found here that's been of

1772
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:26,280
use to you I've investigated about 50 or

1773
01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:28,920
60 cases since I came down to New

1774
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:30,420
Zealand and Australia extremely

1775
01:16:35,630 --> 01:16:33,600
interesting UFO sightings a lot of help

1776
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:35,640
from local investigatory groups in

1777
01:16:42,110 --> 01:16:39,420
Sydney and Melbourne and have found as I

1778
01:16:44,090 --> 01:16:42,120
go through these that the type of

1779
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:44,100
sightings are essentially similar to

1780
01:16:49,010 --> 01:16:45,840
those in the United States

1781
01:16:51,530 --> 01:16:49,020
what are the main similarities

1782
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,540
persons of really quite High credibility

1783
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:53,360
reporting

1784
01:16:57,890 --> 01:16:56,159
unconventional objects discs

1785
01:16:59,450 --> 01:16:57,900
cigar-shaped objects frequently at very

1786
01:17:01,850 --> 01:16:59,460
low elevation

1787
01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:01,860
hovering over sometimes urban areas

1788
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:04,980
sometimes over cars following cars

1789
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,460
same kind of public reaction quite a

1790
01:17:12,649 --> 01:17:10,320
quite a strong similarity to the

1791
01:17:14,689 --> 01:17:12,659
American reluctance to report them to

1792
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:14,699
official channels because of fear of

1793
01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:17,460
ridicule but behind it all a very large

1794
01:17:23,169 --> 01:17:19,980
number a a very surprisingly large

1795
01:17:26,090 --> 01:17:23,179
number of these sightings of quite

1796
01:17:27,410 --> 01:17:26,100
unconventional objects maneuvering in

1797
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:27,420
our airspace

1798
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:29,640
you have been highly critical of your

1799
01:17:35,630 --> 01:17:32,880
end government's attitude towards UFOs

1800
01:17:36,890 --> 01:17:35,640
indeed indeed I have yes the uh I've

1801
01:17:39,169 --> 01:17:36,900
taken a very good look at the American

1802
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:39,179
official investigation program Project

1803
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:41,760
Blue Book run by the Air Force and I

1804
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:44,400
have uh quite unequivocally described it

1805
01:17:48,350 --> 01:17:45,780
to Scientific colleagues back in the

1806
01:17:50,209 --> 01:17:48,360
States as superficial and incompetent

1807
01:17:52,330 --> 01:17:50,219
but in general to

1808
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:52,340
to have this possibility that the world

1809
01:17:56,689 --> 01:17:54,780
is under something resembling

1810
01:17:59,330 --> 01:17:56,699
reconnaissance possibly from some

1811
01:18:01,550 --> 01:17:59,340
extraterrestrial source and to go on

1812
01:18:03,229 --> 01:18:01,560
about our petty ways collectively

1813
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:03,239
doesn't seem to me to be a wise

1814
01:18:06,970 --> 01:18:04,800
situation so I'm trying to get

1815
01:18:10,729 --> 01:18:06,980
scientists and

1816
01:18:13,850 --> 01:18:10,739
governmental uh agencies to take a look

1817
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:13,860
at this at a highly accelerated Pace

1818
01:18:18,770 --> 01:18:17,040
Professor McDonald thank you very much

1819
01:18:19,729 --> 01:18:18,780
Professor McDonald talking with Brian

1820
01:18:22,130 --> 01:18:19,739
King

1821
01:18:23,630 --> 01:18:22,140
well I've seen a few mysterious objects

1822
01:18:26,750 --> 01:18:23,640
in my time in fact I just happened to

1823
01:18:29,810 --> 01:18:26,760
have one here with me now I don't know

1824
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:29,820
whether this gadget qualifies as a UFO

1825
01:18:33,050 --> 01:18:32,290
an unidentified flying object

1826
01:18:35,290 --> 01:18:33,060
[Music]

1827
01:18:41,570 --> 01:18:38,090
an object until tomorrow night good

1828
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:41,580
night we were so close man I love that

1829
01:18:46,330 --> 01:18:44,159
clip until the very end but hey look

1830
01:18:50,209 --> 01:18:46,340
they've been doing that up until

1831
01:18:52,729 --> 01:18:50,219
2017. X-Files music you know yep I was

1832
01:18:53,570 --> 01:18:52,739
gonna say exactly the same thing that

1833
01:18:57,890 --> 01:18:53,580
clip

1834
01:18:59,870 --> 01:18:57,900
that could not be further from the truth

1835
01:19:02,990 --> 01:18:59,880
on where Australia is today on this

1836
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,000
topic so James mcdolin's assessment or

1837
01:19:08,209 --> 01:19:05,520
his his feelings his sentiment

1838
01:19:10,610 --> 01:19:08,219
um and his reservations on on

1839
01:19:12,649 --> 01:19:10,620
um or his his frustration with the US

1840
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:12,659
government that's exactly where we are

1841
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:14,760
today in Australia and I think he nailed

1842
01:19:22,010 --> 01:19:19,260
it on the head that he has uh there are

1843
01:19:25,729 --> 01:19:22,020
incredible things being reported by

1844
01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:25,739
credible folks and I think that is very

1845
01:19:31,070 --> 01:19:27,900
very true of what's Happening down under

1846
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:31,080
and and for me as an Australian Citizen

1847
01:19:35,630 --> 01:19:33,540
and one that's proud of our alliance

1848
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:35,640
with our U.S brothers and sisters and

1849
01:19:40,669 --> 01:19:38,159
that takes this topic very seriously

1850
01:19:42,530 --> 01:19:40,679
um you know and and obviously I want our

1851
01:19:46,610 --> 01:19:42,540
members of the Australian Defense Force

1852
01:19:49,790 --> 01:19:46,620
to be uh you know out of Harm's Way and

1853
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:49,800
not have safety of flight risks

1854
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:52,560
um you know them being bombarded with

1855
01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:55,440
that potentially Ross Coulter in some

1856
01:19:58,850 --> 01:19:56,820
correspondence that I had with him he

1857
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:58,860
nailed on the head he said all we want

1858
01:20:03,550 --> 01:20:00,719
and this is true for me as Australia all

1859
01:20:07,490 --> 01:20:03,560
we want is for UAP to be acknowledged

1860
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:07,500
investigated and conclusions drawn as to

1861
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:10,320
their Origins uh wherever they may be

1862
01:20:17,330 --> 01:20:13,860
from uh whatever they may be or whenever

1863
01:20:19,729 --> 01:20:17,340
they may be from because who knows you

1864
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:19,739
know is everything is on the table until

1865
01:20:24,350 --> 01:20:22,620
it's not so unfortunately Australian

1866
01:20:27,169 --> 01:20:24,360
Department of Defense for Australia Air

1867
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,179
Force isn't even prepared to acknowledge

1868
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:29,280
that a conversation needs to be had on

1869
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,560
the topic and that is

1870
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,600
um that's incredibly frustrating so for

1871
01:20:38,270 --> 01:20:35,360
me personally

1872
01:20:42,110 --> 01:20:38,280
my mission really is to continue to

1873
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,120
Advocate uh for this topic to be be

1874
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:44,400
taken seriously by members of the

1875
01:20:48,169 --> 01:20:45,600
Australian government members of

1876
01:20:50,209 --> 01:20:48,179
parliament senators and I say this not

1877
01:20:52,669 --> 01:20:50,219
to for those that are watching that may

1878
01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:52,679
be in Australia or in the UK or in the

1879
01:20:57,709 --> 01:20:54,900
US I don't say say this to impress you

1880
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:57,719
but to impress upon you that you can

1881
01:21:03,169 --> 01:21:00,239
make a significant difference and you

1882
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,179
can influence the thinking of those that

1883
01:21:08,270 --> 01:21:05,520
you elect into positions of authority

1884
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,280
because I've had frequent ongoing

1885
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:10,560
engagement with Senator wish Wilson who

1886
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:11,940
again has been the only Center in

1887
01:21:15,950 --> 01:21:13,320
Australia that's asked questions on this

1888
01:21:18,890 --> 01:21:15,960
topic today and granted he has so many

1889
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,900
topics on his plate that he is taking

1890
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:20,880
seriously that are important to his

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01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:23,280
constituents but he and his staff don't

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01:21:28,669 --> 01:21:26,520
have the time to invest into the

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01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:28,679
exploration and research of this topic

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01:21:33,410 --> 01:21:31,260
so through my engagement with Senator

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01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:33,420
wish Wilson and a couple other

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01:21:42,410 --> 01:21:37,560
colleagues in preparation for his

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01:21:44,450 --> 01:21:42,420
um his uh hearing his his questioning at

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01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:44,460
the Senate estimates hearing on the 9th

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01:21:50,209 --> 01:21:47,580
of November I submitted 30 30 35

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01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:50,219
questions to his office uh for

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01:21:55,070 --> 01:21:52,380
consideration to assist with his lines

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01:21:57,530 --> 01:21:55,080
of inquiry at the Senate estimates and

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01:21:59,930 --> 01:21:57,540
every single question that he asked were

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01:22:02,990 --> 01:21:59,940
questions that I authored along with my

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01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:03,000
colleagues so that shows you that you

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01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:05,820
can make a difference and influence the

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01:22:12,169 --> 01:22:09,000
thinking of your elected representatives

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01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,179
and and I pay complete credit to my good

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01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:14,880
friend Louise Jimenez uh for for getting

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01:22:18,050 --> 01:22:16,620
me off my ass and getting in the game

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01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:18,060
and not watching from the sidelines

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01:22:21,890 --> 01:22:19,980
because if it wasn't for him and the

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01:22:24,110 --> 01:22:21,900
great work that he did with the big

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01:22:26,510 --> 01:22:24,120
phone home initiative uh I wouldn't be

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01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:26,520
where I am today and now obviously

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01:22:31,550 --> 01:22:29,760
um you know granted that loose Jimenez

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01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:31,560
position on this topic has now changed

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01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:33,120
and I can't blame him based on

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01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:35,219
everything that he has gone through and

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01:22:41,149 --> 01:22:38,400
witnessed uh in the last 12 months but I

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01:22:43,010 --> 01:22:41,159
give him full credit for uh for really

1922
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,020
getting me

1923
01:22:47,149 --> 01:22:45,600
um off my ass and and and activating

1924
01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:47,159
myself and engaging my elected

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01:22:50,209 --> 01:22:49,020
representatives because it's making a

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01:22:53,390 --> 01:22:50,219
difference

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01:22:57,050 --> 01:22:53,400
absolutely from my perspective yeah and

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01:22:58,910 --> 01:22:57,060
you know a huge thank you to Jimenez I

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01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:58,920
hope we get the big phone home back I

1930
01:23:03,950 --> 01:23:01,679
think he was doing incredible work and

1931
01:23:07,310 --> 01:23:03,960
um it inspired people like you to do

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01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:07,320
yeah we don't have many like you in

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01:23:11,689 --> 01:23:09,840
Australia doing that so you know I kind

1934
01:23:13,790 --> 01:23:11,699
of look at someone like Ross cultart as

1935
01:23:15,770 --> 01:23:13,800
like the new James McDonald I hope he

1936
01:23:18,590 --> 01:23:15,780
doesn't meet the same fate but he's

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01:23:22,370 --> 01:23:18,600
doing amazing work in establishing that

1938
01:23:24,410 --> 01:23:22,380
relationship as a credible journalist

1939
01:23:27,770 --> 01:23:24,420
um and meanwhile we've got you just

1940
01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:27,780
digging man and doing the hard work the

1941
01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:29,880
fact that they used all your questions I

1942
01:23:37,689 --> 01:23:33,000
mean that blows my mind that again as

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01:23:40,729 --> 01:23:37,699
well put into it um and I mean I I yeah

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01:23:43,130 --> 01:23:40,739
I've thankfully been in a position where

1945
01:23:45,950 --> 01:23:43,140
I've had an opportunity to learn

1946
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:45,960
um from from some of the Giants on this

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01:23:51,890 --> 01:23:48,960
topic in Australia like Ross Ross Colton

1948
01:23:55,070 --> 01:23:51,900
Keith basterfield Bill Chalker

1949
01:23:57,290 --> 01:23:55,080
um you know Paul Dean those guys have

1950
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:57,300
been putting in the the hard yards for a

1951
01:24:02,330 --> 01:24:00,480
long time on this topic so I'm just I'm

1952
01:24:05,630 --> 01:24:02,340
really standing on the shoulders of

1953
01:24:08,330 --> 01:24:05,640
giants trying to play my part uh and do

1954
01:24:10,370 --> 01:24:08,340
what I can to ask questions and demand

1955
01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:10,380
answers and and you can do that by

1956
01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:12,360
exercising your right to information by

1957
01:24:16,370 --> 01:24:14,340
submitting Freedom of Information Act

1958
01:24:18,350 --> 01:24:16,380
requests and engaging your elected

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01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:18,360
representatives on this topic so when

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01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,159
the day comes that the Australian

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01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,080
government acknowledges this topic and

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01:24:26,990 --> 01:24:24,480
takes it seriously uh I'll be having a

1963
01:24:30,649 --> 01:24:27,000
point because uh that will be a day to

1964
01:24:31,729 --> 01:24:30,659
celebrate for for for moving uh the

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01:24:33,050 --> 01:24:31,739
Australian government in the direction

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01:24:35,450 --> 01:24:33,060
it should

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01:24:38,630 --> 01:24:35,460
absolutely and I'll be there right next

1968
01:24:41,149 --> 01:24:38,640
to you with a Guinness my friend well I

1969
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,159
know you got to get going so please tell

1970
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,199
us more about the Unexplained rundown

1971
01:24:48,350 --> 01:24:45,120
and uh where we can find everything

1972
01:24:50,990 --> 01:24:48,360
you're up to yeah so unexplained rundown

1973
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,000
um I don't have as much time as I'd love

1974
01:24:55,610 --> 01:24:53,520
to put out as much great content as as I

1975
01:24:58,370 --> 01:24:55,620
know you do Ryan and again credit to you

1976
01:25:01,070 --> 01:24:58,380
I know we spoke about this off here but

1977
01:25:02,930 --> 01:25:01,080
um you know I have a a a great

1978
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,940
appreciation for the time energy and

1979
01:25:07,310 --> 01:25:04,800
effort and passion that folks like

1980
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:07,320
yourself and others put into delivering

1981
01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:08,880
great content week after week because

1982
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:10,260
it's not easy when you've got family

1983
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:12,840
life competing priorities and so on so

1984
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:15,120
um I don't put out as much content as I

1985
01:25:19,790 --> 01:25:17,040
would like but when I do it's usually

1986
01:25:22,970 --> 01:25:19,800
related to the topic of what is

1987
01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:22,980
Australia doing about UAP I had the

1988
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:25,860
great fortune and opportunity to have

1989
01:25:29,630 --> 01:25:28,080
Brad Voorhees from Sonic gravity on the

1990
01:25:32,270 --> 01:25:29,640
show last year and we had some really

1991
01:25:35,450 --> 01:25:32,280
cool discussions uh I did a passion

1992
01:25:36,649 --> 01:25:35,460
project on deep dive exploration of Kurt

1993
01:25:40,490 --> 01:25:36,659
Russell's encounter with the Phoenix

1994
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,500
Lights yeah and I was very very

1995
01:25:44,570 --> 01:25:42,239
um very excited to see the interview

1996
01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:44,580
that you did with Jason MccLellan uh not

1997
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:46,020
long ago and he talked about his

1998
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:48,960
experience with the Phoenix Lights so uh

1999
01:25:52,130 --> 01:25:50,760
they're just that's just a very small

2000
01:25:53,689 --> 01:25:52,140
sample of the things that you'll find on

2001
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:53,699
my channel if you want to follow me on

2002
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:55,620
Twitter my handle's just at Grant lavac

2003
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,080
uh I'm on Spotify just search for The

2004
01:26:02,030 --> 01:26:00,480
Unexplained rundown or YouTube type in

2005
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:02,040
my name Grant lavac or The Unexplained

2006
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:03,360
rundown and your one you'll find my

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01:26:06,169 --> 01:26:04,080
channel

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01:26:08,030 --> 01:26:06,179
awesome man and there should be a link

2009
01:26:10,490 --> 01:26:08,040
right below there guys for Grant's

2010
01:26:12,410 --> 01:26:10,500
YouTube channel um I gotta thank you man

2011
01:26:13,790 --> 01:26:12,420
I know your day is just starting over

2012
01:26:15,410 --> 01:26:13,800
there so

2013
01:26:18,350 --> 01:26:15,420
um thank you for breaking down UFO video

2014
01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:18,360
of the week and um for giving us the

2015
01:26:22,729 --> 01:26:21,060
rundown on what's going on over there I

2016
01:26:25,129 --> 01:26:22,739
have hope you're giving me hope

2017
01:26:27,709 --> 01:26:25,139
especially with the work you're doing so

2018
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:27,719
um I I will say goodnight to you now or

2019
01:26:30,350 --> 01:26:28,860
good morning

2020
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:30,360
um I'm gonna debrief of the audience

2021
01:26:34,490 --> 01:26:32,280
here

2022
01:26:36,110 --> 01:26:34,500
absolutely you're gonna need it you got

2023
01:26:38,090 --> 01:26:36,120
a long day ahead of you

2024
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:38,100
um thank you grant it was a pleasure and

2025
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,840
honor we're gonna get you back on very

2026
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:42,000
soon brother Pleasures old mine my

2027
01:26:44,930 --> 01:26:43,679
friend thanks for having me on it's uh I

2028
01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:44,940
appreciate giving the opportunity just

2029
01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:46,260
to talk with you and you and your

2030
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:47,580
listeners so thanks

2031
01:26:54,770 --> 01:26:50,159
thank you so much we'll talk soon all

2032
01:27:00,649 --> 01:26:58,370
awesome guys ah I knew I knew I just

2033
01:27:03,709 --> 01:27:00,659
knew we didn't have to prepare too much

2034
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:03,719
Grant has a wealth of information and

2035
01:27:07,010 --> 01:27:05,520
he's doing great work over there at the

2036
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:07,020
end explained rundown so check out the

2037
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:08,639
YouTube channel check out everything

2038
01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:11,580
he's doing follow him on Twitter uh you

2039
01:27:16,729 --> 01:27:14,219
will not be disappointed we covered a

2040
01:27:19,070 --> 01:27:16,739
lot tonight so only a few more things to

2041
01:27:21,850 --> 01:27:19,080
cover with you guys to tease what's

2042
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:21,860
going on here at somewhere in the skies

2043
01:27:27,530 --> 01:27:24,560
next we have an episode dropping tonight

2044
01:27:30,410 --> 01:27:27,540
uh that is with the one and only Jazz

2045
01:27:33,770 --> 01:27:30,420
Shaw where we look at the mysterious

2046
01:27:34,910 --> 01:27:33,780
incident 88 from Project Blue Book so be

2047
01:27:37,310 --> 01:27:34,920
sure to check that out it should be

2048
01:27:39,530 --> 01:27:37,320
going out on podcast feeds within the

2049
01:27:40,850 --> 01:27:39,540
next couple hours or so

2050
01:27:42,530 --> 01:27:40,860
um if you wanted a couple hours early

2051
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:42,540
it's available on patreon right now

2052
01:27:47,209 --> 01:27:45,600
patreon.com summer Skies it's also on

2053
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:47,219
Apple premium so you can become a

2054
01:27:49,970 --> 01:27:48,960
subscriber there as well if you use

2055
01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:49,980
apple

2056
01:27:55,490 --> 01:27:54,300
um but yeah guys uh what an episode let

2057
01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:55,500
me know in the comments below what you

2058
01:28:03,950 --> 01:27:58,440
thought of UFO video of the week and uh

2059
01:28:07,010 --> 01:28:03,960
this is what I've got coming up here at

2060
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:07,020
somewhere in this Skies our next four

2061
01:28:12,350 --> 01:28:09,840
guests coming up we have first Richard

2062
01:28:14,030 --> 01:28:12,360
Dolan is coming out of the shadows and

2063
01:28:15,709 --> 01:28:14,040
doing one of his first interviews in a

2064
01:28:18,350 --> 01:28:15,719
while I think his last one might have

2065
01:28:19,790 --> 01:28:18,360
been with Kurt J Mungo um he will be on

2066
01:28:22,430 --> 01:28:19,800
somewhere in the skies in the very near

2067
01:28:25,550 --> 01:28:22,440
future talking about everything UFOs in

2068
01:28:27,169 --> 01:28:25,560
2023 and I got so many listener

2069
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,179
questions for him so it's gonna actually

2070
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:29,520
be more of an ask me anything I think

2071
01:28:33,229 --> 01:28:30,960
which will be really cool to get you

2072
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:33,239
guys questions in there uh next up we

2073
01:28:39,530 --> 01:28:36,000
have got Henry zabrowski from last

2074
01:28:42,350 --> 01:28:39,540
podcast on the left uh this is so cool

2075
01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:42,360
Henry actually reached out to me

2076
01:28:47,570 --> 01:28:45,420
um maybe a couple months ago and um told

2077
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:47,580
me he was a fan of the show he loved

2078
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,679
everything we were doing over here and

2079
01:28:53,930 --> 01:28:51,600
um I'm gonna be going on last podcast on

2080
01:28:56,209 --> 01:28:53,940
the left I was invited as a guest for

2081
01:28:59,090 --> 01:28:56,219
their patreon uh so that's going to be

2082
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:59,100
happening very soon but first Henry is

2083
01:29:01,970 --> 01:29:00,719
going to be coming on somewhere in the

2084
01:29:05,570 --> 01:29:01,980
skies we're going to be talking about

2085
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:05,580
all things UFOs with game as well and

2086
01:29:11,209 --> 01:29:07,920
how last podcast on the left came to be

2087
01:29:12,649 --> 01:29:11,219
I want to know how it all started and um

2088
01:29:13,850 --> 01:29:12,659
and all that so that's going to be super

2089
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:13,860
fun

2090
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:17,280
next up we have Amy shiratito who some

2091
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:18,480
of you might remember she was on the

2092
01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:20,760
show a couple times in the early run of

2093
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,920
somewhere in the skies and she's a space

2094
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:24,480
historian

2095
01:29:30,530 --> 01:29:27,600
um and she's also you know a I think

2096
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:30,540
she's a gamer as well on Twitch she does

2097
01:29:34,910 --> 01:29:32,639
everything she's one of the icons in pop

2098
01:29:35,629 --> 01:29:34,920
culture and video games in space and all

2099
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:35,639
that

2100
01:29:39,229 --> 01:29:36,960
um so she's going to be coming on to

2101
01:29:41,209 --> 01:29:39,239
talk about aliens and the fight for

2102
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:41,219
space and awesome

2103
01:29:47,870 --> 01:29:44,580
um historical look at the uh women who

2104
01:29:50,810 --> 01:29:47,880
inspired the Space Program in uh the US

2105
01:29:52,610 --> 01:29:50,820
and kind of the fight for uh Supremacy

2106
01:29:55,070 --> 01:29:52,620
when it came to that so that'll be

2107
01:29:56,930 --> 01:29:55,080
really really cool and last up this

2108
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:56,940
month we have the one and only red pill

2109
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,520
junkie coming on the show uh Miguel

2110
01:30:03,530 --> 01:30:01,920
Romero for those who might not have

2111
01:30:04,610 --> 01:30:03,540
known his real name that is his real

2112
01:30:05,689 --> 01:30:04,620
name

2113
01:30:08,330 --> 01:30:05,699
um he's going to be talking about

2114
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:08,340
Anarchy in the UFO This brilliant essay

2115
01:30:13,310 --> 01:30:10,800
he did in a book I highly recommend

2116
01:30:15,890 --> 01:30:13,320
called the UFOs reframing the debate

2117
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:15,900
which I I had the also the honor to

2118
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:18,960
supply an essay for um so you can find

2119
01:30:26,270 --> 01:30:22,260
that on Amazon UFOs reframing the debate

2120
01:30:29,390 --> 01:30:26,280
uh edited and compiled by Robbie Graham

2121
01:30:30,410 --> 01:30:29,400
um yeah yeah Miguel had an amazing essay

2122
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,420
in there so we're going to talk all

2123
01:30:36,530 --> 01:30:31,920
about that and everything else going on

2124
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:36,540
in UFOs so a lot a lot going on this

2125
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:39,360
month guys we also are starting movie of

2126
01:30:43,250 --> 01:30:41,280
the month for those of you who don't

2127
01:30:44,510 --> 01:30:43,260
know we do a movie review at least once

2128
01:30:46,610 --> 01:30:44,520
a month there in somewhere in the sky is

2129
01:30:49,729 --> 01:30:46,620
usually with my good buddies in New York

2130
01:30:51,950 --> 01:30:49,739
City Dennis Kahlo Andrew Sanford or

2131
01:30:54,830 --> 01:30:51,960
Nicholas westermeyer and or I should say

2132
01:30:56,930 --> 01:30:54,840
they're all on it at some point and this

2133
01:31:00,410 --> 01:30:56,940
month's movie is the brother from

2134
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:00,420
another planet from 1984. so do yourself

2135
01:31:05,149 --> 01:31:03,120
a favor go watch the movie

2136
01:31:07,790 --> 01:31:05,159
um I think it's on YouTube I'm not gonna

2137
01:31:10,370 --> 01:31:07,800
lie it was free don't tell anybody

2138
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:10,380
um I might get in trouble for that uh go

2139
01:31:16,010 --> 01:31:12,000
watch the movie we're gonna do a review

2140
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:16,020
in mid-February on that as well so

2141
01:31:20,330 --> 01:31:17,760
that'll be super fun to get my filmmaker

2142
01:31:22,970 --> 01:31:20,340
friends back on to talk all about that

2143
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:22,980
movie a movie I'd never heard of

2144
01:31:27,050 --> 01:31:25,679
um but it's it's it's fantastic I

2145
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:27,060
already watched it I can't wait to talk

2146
01:31:33,530 --> 01:31:28,980
about it and I hope you will join us for

2147
01:31:37,550 --> 01:31:33,540
that as well and I think that's it

2148
01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:37,560
God I I had to I had to guys I'm sorry

2149
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:40,260
it was bound to happen

2150
01:31:45,169 --> 01:31:42,239
um what's gonna happen with this weather

2151
01:31:46,910 --> 01:31:45,179
balloon thing weather balloon

2152
01:31:49,550 --> 01:31:46,920
um let me know in the comments below

2153
01:31:51,050 --> 01:31:49,560
it's an unfolding story

2154
01:31:53,450 --> 01:31:51,060
um I did not want to talk about it

2155
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tonight I know it came up briefly but um

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let me know what you think of that story

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as well

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um but that's it guys

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click like click subscribe

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um somewhere in the live stream will

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grow and change it's organic

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um you know I might have guests like

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Grant every now and again or it might

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just be me

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um it might be the episode of the

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podcast for the following week or it'll

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strictly remain a live stream but uh

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this conversation with Grant will become

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a podcast episode because I absolutely

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loved it so you can catch that on audio

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hopefully in the near future as well

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um but that's it guys thank you as

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always for joining me on your Sunday

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evening

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um join me next Sunday for another

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somewhere in the live stream and um

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maybe we'll have a mystery guest maybe

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we won't I don't know yet but um I want

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to thank everyone in the chat as usual I

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got a super chat at some point I want to

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thank whoever gave us that I think it

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was metal Hendrix so thank you if you

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want to support the show you can do it

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through super chat patreon or become an

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apple premium subscriber right now

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um and with that I'm gonna let you guys

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go go have a wonderful morning afternoon

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evening whatever the saying is

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um just have a good one keep looking up

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as always and uh keep your feet on the

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ground but never stop searching

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somewhere in the skies have a great

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night guys we'll talk soon

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[Music]

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thank you